The case against ID cards

Mr dog is 67 . Normal deliveries from Sainsbury's etc don't need ID, but Amazon do, even when it's blindingly obvious that you are the wrong side of 60.

I don't drink, but do order booze as Christmas presents, and have more than once been asked to show ID.

I rarely get asked for ID for alcohol deliveries - given I am over 50 and look it

I used to think it would be a good idea and if you’ve nothing to hide why wouldn’t you want to carry one but the worlds gone a bit crazy and I don’t doubt the scammers would soon find a way to fake them so would they really be of much use?

I have lived in countries that required ID cards, never asked to show my ID and were only used as an extra when requiring certain documentation. I have no objection to having one and think it probably would be of benefit to a lot of people who do not have passports or driving licences. As you get older you may give up driving and going abroad and therefore have no current identification so an ID card would be useful for them as well as for those who had never held either of those documents.

volver

Stop being so rude.

Pot, Kettle, Black!

Oh yes, or if I’m out and he needs to prove he’s over 18 to a delivery driver bringing a bottle of wine that I’ve ordered as a Christmas present. There’s no talking to him though.

But as you know Doodledog, he’s only managing fine until he goes to Probate over his mother at some time in the future. Then it may become difficult for him unfortunately.

Tell that to my husband, Saetana. He won't listen though, and to be fair he seems to manage just fine 🙄.

I would love a national ID card - I don't drive and haven't been out of the country since the mid 90s so no passport either. It can be extremely difficult not having any photo ID in the 21st century.

volver

This is a madhouse.

Makes Elon's Twitter seem sane.

I know Volver, but it’s your madhouse.

It wouldn't have been so easy then, though.

No but years ago without ID cards, people were blacklisted from getting jobs because of union action, being with Right Wing Groups, etc. Not having an ID card hasn't stopped that sort of action. It may be having an ID card would make those lists where you are blackballed searchable because of the Freedom of Information Act. It could actually make life easier to prove you are being labelled as persona non grata so you can fight it through the courts.

This is a madhouse.

Makes Elon's Twitter seem sane.

volver

Is that an actual physical threat icanhandthemback? That's a first.

I'm not that brave!

4allweknow.
That has nothing to do with the case.
Volver merely wishes it to be known that she doesn’t want an ID card, no matter how useful it might be to others, whether or not she’s ever been stopped in this country or any other, whether or not she has something to hide or anything else that comes up.
I’m supporting Volver in her frustration in getting over to posters the fact that she doesn’t want an ID card. ❤️❤️

Volver How often have you been asked by any official who you are when just walking down the street? Never happened to me. There are so many "official" type documents that are counterfeit these days perhaps a biometric ID card would be more secure.

icanhandthemback

We had compulsory ID cards between 1939 and 1952. It would be interesting to know if people had their money cut off, were blacklisted, etc.

It wouldn't have been so easy then, though.

VioletSky

Volver, I am opposed to you going off grid lol

😊💐

We had compulsory ID cards between 1939 and 1952. It would be interesting to know if people had their money cut off, were blacklisted, etc.

Is that an actual physical threat icanhandthemback? That's a first.

volver

Is this what's known as a pile-on?

Asking for a friend. 😊

I'd certainly knock all the breath out of your body if I did.

Thanks JaneJudge, that's very interesting.

Volver, what does the SNP leader think about ID cards? If you get a referendum and the Scottish people want independence then you probably are worrying unnecessarily. Any time you visit England if we have ID cards then you can just use your Scots Passport if needed.

I knew it would be you stirring up the proverbial on ID cards. Even without them there is a lot of kerfuffle when visiting some countries overseas. Australia and USA are quite stern and even entering St Lucia I have been given the once over because I had not booked a return ticket.

Anyway, I understand many of the countries in the EU have compulsory ID cards and as the majority of GRANSNET active users want to rejoin surely ID cards will not be a problem. Somebody mentioned yellow stars which Jews wore under the Nazis. I thought it was poor taste to bring those horrors up. If you really believe that could happen in the UK then I despair.

Never mind, the Tories have worn out their appeal to voters and deservedly so. Soon we will have a great Labour government who will soon solve our economic problems. So we shall see how we get on after the Conservatives leave government.

My husband has been asked for ID on various occasions. He still has his Spanish Residencia in his wallet and has presented this saying "Will this do?" The number of people who say, "oh yeh, that's great, I don't know why we don't have something like that"

They have the info in all the government systems Europeans carry them. I fail to see what the problem is.

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