The case against ID cards

My sil has no driving license or passport. Trying to get her a railcard was a nightmare!

I don’t have a driving licence, and my passport lives at home but my bus pass seems good enough for most people who ask me for ID, like the shops and restaurants where I use my blue light card. I am not actually against an ID card, but cannot really see why I need yet another one just to prove I am me.

I had one when I lived in Sweden, we bought a new bike and had to present the ID card to back up a credit card, and the lady at the till wished me happy birthday as my dob was on the ID card. I don't want to share that sort of info with strangers. I also find it deeply uncomfortable to think people can demand to know so much about us in this day an age with the Govt wanting to crack down on our rights to protest etc They can already track us all sorts of ways, mobile phones, number plates, Facebook etc so why give 'them' (not just the government) more chances. Only takes a cloned ID card in Brighton to get you arrested in Yorkshire, mistakes do and will happen - mistaken identity etc remember the film 'Brazil' I think it was called...

I would have no problem with an ID card. If they were issued on the basis of your NI number at the age of 16 then it could be useful. I think it is odd that I am asked for my driving licence as proof of ID. If you are a British citizen then I would see it as a right to have a proper ID card. No reason to try and load it with lots of other data e.g. health records, etc.

It's all tied into the New World Order run by the WEF and its CBDC with tracking. Which means that if you do not run your life to their doctrine, with the push of a button you cannot access your money, if you're a person who likes a drink and eats out a lot, they can stop that too. If you like more than one holiday abroad each year ... stopped! Check out all the Prime Ministers, Premiers, etc. around the world. You will find they are all part of the WEFs Young Global Leaders group. We are standing on the precipice. There is hope too, which we may find out sooner rather than later.

Neilspurgeon0

I don’t have a driving licence, and my passport lives at home but my bus pass seems good enough for most people who ask me for ID, like the shops and restaurants where I use my blue light card. I am not actually against an ID card, but cannot really see why I need yet another one just to prove I am me.

Why does anyone in a restaurant or shop need to know your ID?

Well I have to have ID for work to prove who I am etc. plus loads of other identification such as bank cards. NHS nos blah blah so honestly it wouldn't bother me at all.

Yes, I lived in Brussels for some years and you had an Identity Card issued by the local Maison Communale. Was never asked for it, but it was useful sometimes - I forgot my British passport once and was able to come into and out of the UK with it! I don't see the problem with ID cards - when collecting a Post Office parcel I'd rather prove who I was with a British ID card, than certify my citizenship through B&Q!

As I said up thread, if you need to go to Probate ever, you will need proper ID. They don’t accept bus passes. They accept passports or driving licences providing the license has photo ID. They also require further evidence that you are who you say you are such as a bank statement with your name and address on it.

Everyone will need to deal with Probate at some point of their lives. If they have no passport or driving license, that will prove very, very difficult. Probate do not accept bus passes, rail cards, credit cards, and the like as proper ID.

volver

^Most of Europe has ID cards, so has Australia.^

Australia doesn't have id cards.

I've lived there as well

Well, we needed some form of identification in Alice Springs to buy petrol. My SiL’ s driving license from Sydney wasn’t enough. I don’t know what the locals do but it was the law, no identification to verify with the police, no petrol. Same law for the local bottle shop.

No dont see how/why its neccessary.The govt already know too much about everyone as it is!

Being an ex army wife we had to carry ID cards all the time. Personal I don’t see a problem. You on cctv everywhere you go you have a phone bank card etc docz Hosptial you already being followed and watched so personal don’t see a problem unless you got something to hid

I’d love an ID card. I have no current/valid driving license or passport. All the utilities/bills are not in my name.
I couldn’t care less about tracking etc. I’ve been online for 20 + years; had a smartphone since they were invented etc.
If there’s a policeman on the street ( yay) and he wants to know who I am to eliminate me from his tracking of would be terrorists, I’d be happy to produce my ID.
Currently I don’t seem to have any acceptable ID and wish I did!
No systems will ever be perfect or foolproof but I’d be totally glad to comply with something that was designed to support the police/authorities if it helped eliminate me from their investigations.
As this is meant to be a discussion, I assume I’m as entitled to have my string opinion as much as the OP holds the opposite view. 😊

Can’t see the problem with ID card. It’s Right wing Gov that’s the problem. In EU you carry ID card now with fingerprint and photo-more secure than passport and can be used for travel. No-one forced to show without good reason. If used here could replace passport and help with travel delays on entering EU.

Voter fraud DOES exist - linked to postal voting so, without altering how that works, ID cards would not change it. My own experience of this is in inner city Coventry. Certain streets are almost transplants of villages in Bangla Desh. The senior man collects your postal vote papers and as a service deals with completion and return. The ladies are learning English and working with UK culture people, so it is getting harder to do. Other bad areas are Northern Ireland. www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/our-views-and-research/our-research/electoral-fraud-data/2019-electoral-fraud-data

aHere in Scotland you can apply for an entitlement card which has your photo on; it gives you free bus travel, acts as a library card and probably more.
I think that every person should have their DNA recorded, babies at birth.
Would be a deterrent to crime and helpful in identifying bodies with no other ID, for example after the dreadful London underground fire some years ago.
Also to help prevent adopted siblings getting together and having children (as happened recently in the Netherlands).
Could also be useful to track inherited genetic problems.

I dont have a passport as I haven't been abroad for over 25 years. And thst was in my Maiden name anyway. I still have an old driving licence. So no photo ID until I got my bjss pass and that's not always accepted. To get a passport or photo licence there's cost and the palaver of having to find someone to sign a photo.

My disbled son also has no photo ID. Same thing - he's unlikely to go abroad given his needs and he'll never be able to drive.

So actually yes. Some form of official ID at a low cost (or free) would be useful.

volver

^On the other hand, if you have nothing to hide, why should you object to carrying a card stating your identity?^

Seriously? Read the thread. The reasons are explained ad nauseam.

Yes, I realise that, I just happen not to agree with your opinion on the subject, so let's agree to differ, shall we?

ID cards - BAD. Knowledge os power and power can fall into the wrong hands. End of - for me.

I don’t drive and I don’t have a passport. I am a ‘non-person’ according to our lovely receptionist at doctors, when I wanted to join the on-line ‘gang’…..(and couldn’t) …you know them…. the ones who get all the face -to-face appointments! So yes… I would welcome the I.D. Card ….then I might put it somewhere safe, and pull it out every time that receptionist demanded to know who I was… if only I could think of a safe place🤔

Blossoming
Yes they're compulsory in a number of countries:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country

Voter fraud may exist Sandelf but it is trivial in extent and does not justify heavy handed ID requirements pushed by the Tories. The Electoral Commission reported on UK cases for 2021 thus 'The UK has low levels of proven electoral fraud. There remains no evidence of large-scale electoral fraud in 2021.' Out of 315 cases of alleged fraud in all elections (local and national) across the UK including Northern Ireland only one case led to a conviction and one to police cautions. Over half of the cases were campaigning offences (campaigners not including details about the printer, promoter or publisher on election material or someone making false statements about the personal character or conduct of a candidate) and not voter fraud such as impersonation. The campaign offences alleged would not be affected by voter ID cards and the rest don't numerically justify voter ID. The numbers recorded don't support anecdotal loose talk about ethnic fraud.

undines

ID cards - BAD. Knowledge os power and power can fall into the wrong hands. End of - for me.

I can see that, but for those on here who are vehemently against it or those like me who currently have no need of one, what do you suggest for all those who can’t afford passports or driving licences, are too young for bus passes and don’t have household bills?
Would an optional one be a solution or would that open the doorway to fraud?
Or do we just say tough, I’m all right Jack?

I'm not sure why having an ID card would suddenly mean we'd be stopped constantly in the street by the police. Can't see that's a legitimate argument. And, as others have said, our data is already held by various groups already. I am not against them. And i think it could be useful to carry an ID at all times.