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VioletSky Wed 16-Nov-22 20:03:58

This week is Transgender Awareness week to help raise the visibility of trans and gender non conforming people and the struggles they face.

Culminating on the 20th November with a day of remembrance to remember all those across the globe who have lost their lives to transphobic violence

www.londonworld.com/read-this/trans-awareness-week-2022-why-its-needed-and-how-to-be-an-ally-to-trans-and-non-binary-people-3917542

Glorianny Sat 19-Nov-22 21:07:07

There are lots of Trans Remembrance Day Events happening tomorrow all over the country. Good to know

Mollygo Sat 19-Nov-22 21:09:27

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Glorianny Sat 19-Nov-22 21:09:59

Doodledog

My sense of humour clearly differs from yours as I rarely find the things you do 'funny'.

I've never known anyone tell others they were going to buy a poppy - have you? Most people just quietly go about doing what makes them feel good. Poppies also raise money for war veterans - they are not futile at all.

Yes lots of people posted about buying poppies
A futile gesture was your remark. If a candle is one, is a poppy one as well and if not why not?
Some people make their own poppies so no one makes any money are they futile gestures?

Doodledog Sat 19-Nov-22 21:17:05

I really don't want to facilitate another diversion into a discussion of yet more false equivalences, but no, IMO (although opinions vary) poppies are not a futile gesture, as they represent a donation to the British Legion, and the sight of others wearing them reminds people to do likewise if they wish. I have no idea (and nor do I care) whether those who make their own also contribute.

Posting online that you are going to light a candle, however, benefits nobody except the poster.

Glorianny Sat 19-Nov-22 21:48:14

Doodledog

I really don't want to facilitate another diversion into a discussion of yet more false equivalences, but no, IMO (although opinions vary) poppies are not a futile gesture, as they represent a donation to the British Legion, and the sight of others wearing them reminds people to do likewise if they wish. I have no idea (and nor do I care) whether those who make their own also contribute.

Posting online that you are going to light a candle, however, benefits nobody except the poster.

But apparently you care about someone lighting a candle.
Perhaps you think some lives are not worth remembering.

Glorianny Sat 19-Nov-22 21:51:35

Hampshire Feminist Collective invite you to join a candle lit vigil tomorrow www.facebook.com/events/d41d8cd9/transgender-day-of-remembrance-southampton-candle-light-vigil/161331314011326/

Glorianny Sat 19-Nov-22 21:58:02

A sticker to make a Jewish candle for Trans Gender Awareness Dayhttps://www.keshetonline.org/resources/transgender-day-of-remembrance-yartzeit-candle-sticker/

Glorianny Sat 19-Nov-22 21:58:25

Sorry www.keshetonline.org/resources/transgender-day-of-remembrance-yartzeit-candle-sticker/

VioletSky Sat 19-Nov-22 21:59:28

Glorianny

Hampshire Feminist Collective invite you to join a candle lit vigil tomorrow www.facebook.com/events/d41d8cd9/transgender-day-of-remembrance-southampton-candle-light-vigil/161331314011326/

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VioletSky Sat 19-Nov-22 22:02:15

There are many planned, I'm not sure how many but hopefully enough that anyone who wants to attend can

Doodledog Sat 19-Nov-22 22:09:17

But apparently you care about someone lighting a candle.
Perhaps you think some lives are not worth remembering.

You're very slow on the uptake, aren't you?grin

No, I don't care about someone lighting a candle. It's a nice (if pointless) gesture, if done without fanfare. When the virtue of the lighter is signalled on the internet, however, it loses its potency, such as it was.

Doodledog Sat 19-Nov-22 22:09:55

Sorry - first 2 sentences were a direct quote, but I forgot to embolden them.

Mollygo Sat 19-Nov-22 22:15:25

VS VS

Dickens Sat 19-Nov-22 22:16:13

Rosie51

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

Not bang up to date but a good indication of the comparatives.

But – again based on unofficial figures – it appears that trans people are more likely to experience other violent crimes, for example domestic abuse.

... that's in line with the stats that indicate women are more likely to be murdered or suffer violent attacks by their partner or a family member.

If you include children who, according to the National Association of Adult Survivors, are more at risk from being abused by a family member... then it would seem that both adults, whether trans or not, and children are at greater risk in their home environment than they are from the world outside. The one place where everyone should feel safe. Not good is it?

Doodledog Sat 19-Nov-22 22:28:17

It's not good at all. For anyone. All violence is awful and there should be no excuses, whoever the victim.

The trouble with figures like the ones in the link is that the numbers of transpeople are so small. Despite the noise made by the trans lobby, the estimate is that there are between 200 and 500 thousand transpeople in the UK. With a population of 67million (?) that is a tiny number. Numerous cross tabulations would have to be carried out to find any meaningful comparators with the general population. The figures could represent people with red hair, or the recently divorced, or people with barking dogs, and all of those things and more would have to be considered before a causal link could be found between their trans status and their death. Not that that makes even one murder acceptable, it goes without saying. It's just that statistics like this are so easily used to 'prove' things that are not true.

Oh, and it came back to me:
Matthew 6:1 Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.

Glorianny Sat 19-Nov-22 22:35:04

Trangender Art and Poetry exhibition and Vigil in Hexham tomorrow
thriveatcntw.co.uk/transgender-remembrance-day-art-and-poetry-competition/

GagaJo Sat 19-Nov-22 22:37:20

I'm heartened by the fact there have been a lot of positive comments on this thread.

Wyllow3 Sat 19-Nov-22 22:47:49

I quietly stand with you.

VioletSky Sat 19-Nov-22 23:08:48

We all stand together 🎶

Ah that brings back memories, I had the Frog Song LP when I was young

Dickens Sun 20-Nov-22 00:43:55

Matthew 6:1 Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.

???

confused

Rosie51 Sun 20-Nov-22 00:53:03

Dickens

^Matthew 6:1 Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.^

???

confused

Fairly obvious I'd have thought......displaying your 'goodness' or 'philanthropy' for all to see and therefore earn you earthly praise won't be earning brownie points on a heavenly scale.

Some people can't so much as think a good thought without wanting a round of applause, others toil for hours in total obscurity.

Wyllow3 Sun 20-Nov-22 00:55:43

I didnt quite get the quote: just believe most of us fall between those opposites!

Rosie51 Sun 20-Nov-22 01:02:43

Anybody who wants a round of applause for say, lighting a candle, is pretty egotistical. There are people out there spending hours, days of their life, comforting and attending the homeless on our streets who want total anonymity. I happen to know one such person, they are the true angels on earth.

VioletSky Sun 20-Nov-22 01:16:38

Dickens

I reread through your first comment earlier and it got me thinking about how many labels most of us carry

Like for me, as just a few examples:

Woman
Working class
Estranged

All of us are individuals but there is always an element of people who only see the label and try to force us to carry their perceptions of who we must be by belonging to that group.

Estranged.. Well that one carries an amount of judgement based on the experience of those who have been estranged and some cannot help but project their pain onto any person forced to estrange as if the reasons for estrangement are all the same.

Working class, again carries a lot of judgement from those who believe their fight to get where they are in life is diminished by people asking for enough to get by. No matter how necessary working class people are to their everyday life.

And I saved this till last. Women, something most of us understand here comes attached with so many judgements about what our sex should look like, how we should behave, what we are capable of.

But we are all individuals. We should never be confined by labels. We should never be judged for the behaviour of people we don't even know.

Trans people as a whole, should never be judged for the labels people assign to them or their perceptions or even their experiences .

Women, I feel out of any label, or I prefer, demographic, should understand this the most.

We are, every single one of us, wholly individual.

Dickens Sun 20-Nov-22 01:34:31

Rosie51

Dickens

Matthew 6:1 Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.

???

confused

Fairly obvious I'd have thought......displaying your 'goodness' or 'philanthropy' for all to see and therefore earn you earthly praise won't be earning brownie points on a heavenly scale.

Some people can't so much as think a good thought without wanting a round of applause, others toil for hours in total obscurity.

Oh I understood the passage.

I simply pondered why it was aimed at my comment.