Fish Pie Question 🥧

Of course it would be fine, I’m so glad you didn’t waste it. Love a good fish pie, homemade or M&S.

You must have a tough constitution as my gran would have said!
Pleased to hear all fettles are fine!

It was fine! I actually ate it cold (I’m a bit peculiar, I’m not a fan of hot food, I always let food go lukewarm before I eat it) with hot (ish) mushy peas.

I’ve never had food poisoning in my life.

You were brave FC, glad you and Gracie are okay.

You’re still alive then, Fanny? That’s good ! 🍤🥧

I’m here Callistemon! 👋
Gracie and I are both in fine fettle (her fettle is finer than mine, admittedly).
MrC had a Thai curry.

Please post first thing tomorrow, FannyC!!

If the food is thoroughly reheated to boilimg point for several minutes, it will kill any bacteria that may have developed overnight.

It is as ever a question of probabilities. Yes, bacteria could develop overnight, especially in a warm overheated room. The probability of this happening is exceedingly low.If throughly reheated the probability falls nearly to zero.

Are you still leaving your post on the door step for three days before touching it?

Bacteria grow when food is in the 'danger zone', temperature wise, which is between 5 and 50 (I think) so the less time your pie spent in that zone, the better.

As to the thought about where the second wave of bacteria actually come from - dunno!

JenniferEccles

That’s just what I thought Sago.
I’m perfectly sure bacteria will still grow given certain circumstances, even if it was originally properly cooked at the correct temperature.

How can they grow if they were destroyed by the initial correct cooking?

The only reason I could think it might contain bacteria is if the pie were contaminated when it was first served up.

Sago

MaizieD

Sago

Absolutely not!
If it has prawns in it then you would mad to eat it!
The food needs to have been quickly chilled after cooking for it to be safe, a long slow decrease in heat is the best breeding ground for bacteria.

If it was cooked to the correct temperature (more than 60 degrees C) the first time there shouldn't have been any live bacteria in it to multiply during the cooling down.

I'd reheat and eat it.

This is not the case if all bacteria was eradicated in the cooking process we wouldn’t have food poisoning , all food deteriorates if it is left in a warm environment.
The food never chilled and would have taken many hours to reach room temperature, this is the perfect breeding ground.
Food must always be chilled quickly and reheated thoroughly before eating.

Food poisoning is usually caused by food not being cooked to a sufficient temperature for long enough to destroy the bacteria. Heat won't destroy toxins excreted by bacteria but if the pie had contained live bacteria or toxins the OP would know about it already!

I know that my food hygiene certificate is rather elderly; have bacteria changed their makeup in the last few decades? Do we now have heat resistant bacteria in foods?

It did cross my mind after posting originally that the pie could get contaminated if the OP had a dirty kitchen and used really dirty implements to serve it with the first time, but felt it was probably unlikely.

Bin it. Why risk it?

That’s just what I thought Sago.
I’m perfectly sure bacteria will still grow given certain circumstances, even if it was originally properly cooked at the correct temperature.

MaizieD

Sago

Absolutely not!
If it has prawns in it then you would mad to eat it!
The food needs to have been quickly chilled after cooking for it to be safe, a long slow decrease in heat is the best breeding ground for bacteria.

If it was cooked to the correct temperature (more than 60 degrees C) the first time there shouldn't have been any live bacteria in it to multiply during the cooling down.

I'd reheat and eat it.

This is not the case if all bacteria was eradicated in the cooking process we wouldn’t have food poisoning , all food deteriorates if it is left in a warm environment.
The food never chilled and would have taken many hours to reach room temperature, this is the perfect breeding ground.
Food must always be chilled quickly and reheated thoroughly before eating.

No I don’t think I’d trust it, Fanny. Fish can be very iffy!

I wouldn’t eat it or give it to the dog for two reasons.
Firstly, bought, pre-cooked meals usually say do not reheat as there is a danger of food poisoning. Secondly, as mentioned up thread, cooked food needs to be chilled quickly to prevent the growth of bacteria, wheres your pie was left in a cooling oven,

Now, I want a fish pie as well!

Gracie looks lovely. Do you put a coat on her when she goes out? Ours hates her coat, but I feel guilty for not persevering.
Re the fish pie-I’d probably reheat and eat. DH won’t eat prawns so anything I buy doesn’t have them in.

Surely it’s okay for the dog

Does she have a cast iron stomach?

Tizliz

Having had dogs with CDiff I wouldn’t give my dog this. I know it is a waste but put it in the bin, it is not worth the risk.

But I cooked it (not from raw) and it’s been in a cold environment.
Surely it’s okay for the dog?
No prawns in it.

Thank you Jennifer, she is!

Having had dogs with CDiff I wouldn’t give my dog this. I know it is a waste but put it in the bin, it is not worth the risk.

I'd make some sauce to pour over it after it's reheated, just in case it's a bit dry.

Sago

Absolutely not!
If it has prawns in it then you would mad to eat it!
The food needs to have been quickly chilled after cooking for it to be safe, a long slow decrease in heat is the best breeding ground for bacteria.

If it was cooked to the correct temperature (more than 60 degrees C) the first time there shouldn't have been any live bacteria in it to multiply during the cooling down.

I'd reheat and eat it.

Absolutely not!
If it has prawns in it then you would mad to eat it!
The food needs to have been quickly chilled after cooking for it to be safe, a long slow decrease in heat is the best breeding ground for bacteria.

She looks beautiful!