Charles may pay for Andrew's security

I'm sorry but if my son had been friends with the likes of Epstein and Murdoch for decades ,stayed at their homes when there were young ...yes underage in those places...girls regularly there theres no way I would beieve he didn't know what was happening .Especially if even one of those girls turned up in the UK at a "party" .
The apologists for Andrew on here are in essence the same as the folk who thought that 13 year old girls were "prositutes" not abused girls .Would you be as inderstanding if one of your family was involved in trafficking of young people .
It beggars belief that there are women who think like this in the 21st century ,this blinkered attitude is disgusting

M0nica

So many families end up estranged for what seem to be the slimmest of reasons, there will always be those who cannot understand that other families are not as fragile as theirs.

I can only assume you have no professional or personal experience of the devastation caused MOnica.

paddyann54

I'm sorry but if my son had been friends with the likes of Epstein and Murdoch for decades ,stayed at their homes when there were young ...yes underage in those places...girls regularly there theres no way I would beieve he didn't know what was happening .Especially if even one of those girls turned up in the UK at a "party" .
The apologists for Andrew on here are in essence the same as the folk who thought that 13 year old girls were "prositutes" not abused girls .Would you be as inderstanding if one of your family was involved in trafficking of young people .
It beggars belief that there are women who think like this in the 21st century ,this blinkered attitude is disgusting

you are spot on

there is some deep rooted misogyny in our society and threads like this just highlight how bad it is.

a lot of very wealthy people pay for their own security. Maybe he ought to get a job and pay for his own too

Its his brother so it is up to him to help him out otherwise we might have to pay up for him. I really do not like Andrew and never had - such an arrogant a***!

JaneJudge

paddyann54

I'm sorry but if my son had been friends with the likes of Epstein and Murdoch for decades ,stayed at their homes when there were young ...yes underage in those places...girls regularly there theres no way I would beieve he didn't know what was happening .Especially if even one of those girls turned up in the UK at a "party" .
The apologists for Andrew on here are in essence the same as the folk who thought that 13 year old girls were "prositutes" not abused girls .Would you be as inderstanding if one of your family was involved in trafficking of young people .
It beggars belief that there are women who think like this in the 21st century ,this blinkered attitude is disgusting

you are spot on

there is some deep rooted misogyny in our society and threads like this just highlight how bad it is.

a lot of very wealthy people pay for their own security. Maybe he ought to get a job and pay for his own too

I agree with both of you.

However, if my brother's life was threatened (and we don't know but it is possible that some may worry he could speak out and point the finger at them) then I could not know about that possibility and do nothing. It would prey on my conscience if anything were to happen to him.

'I deplore what you have done but you're my brother and I still love you.'

So, Purplepixie you know PA is arrogant. I don’t know him well enough to make any judgement that isn’t based on hearsay.
JaneJudge, you think he should get a job to pay for his security.
I’m interested. What sort of job would you recommend that would pay enough for him to pay for his security, whilst not involving payment for his protection whilst he was doing the job.
I’m not condoning what he was accused of doing, just, having read comments on here I’m not sure what you see as safe employment.
My DH said PA could probably earn a fortune doing after-dinner speeches same as BJ, but even he admits that if even GN’s are as violent as some suggestions suggest, there are those who might use those events to attack PA, thus needing some of funds raised to pay for added . . . security.

Mollygo So, Purplepixie you know PA is arrogant. I don’t know him well enough to make any judgement that isn’t based on hearsay.

I've never been in the same space with him, I have no idea to his "arrogant" personality, other than what people suppose on MN.

What PA and his brother choose to do, now, is their business.

It appears the royal family have a fairly adept PR team re-making family member images as needed, PA may be next?

So, Purplepixie you know PA is arrogant. I don’t know him well enough to make any judgement that isn’t based on hearsay.
I know three people who were in the RN with him and his reputation would suggest he is arrogant.

Yes, Callistemon21, but I don’t know him. I know some people who know him-one of them is a nephew, but I don’t know him so anything I know is hearsay.

Yes, me too.
But I trust the sources.

Of course I meant Maxwell ...one press magnate is much like another in my mind

Callistemon21

Yes, me too.
But I trust the sources.

I trust the sources if they’re first hand. So when my nephew says PA was perfectly affable with him and his group, it must be true.
People say how it was for them-it doesn’t make it true for everyone and every story gets a personal opinion added, the further from the source it moves.
If you like someone, the personal twist will be favourable. If you don’t, the opposite will be added. Vis to wit the posts on H&M.

Callistemon Like you I trust my sources. A lifelong friend of DH and his son, our Godson We too have naval friends who served with PA. In naval circles, he was considered both arrogant and thick.

This is in direct contrast to Prince Harry who was considered to be a good army office, respected and liked by fellow officers and the men he commanded.

Obviously one must filter the stories that one sees in the media, but when someone gets a general reputation over many years and no one contradicts it, I think it is reasonable to assume it is true.

How else does anyone get any news about any one or anything. Is the Ukrainian war really happening? Did the Queen exist? has she died? I do not know if I am not to accept anything I have not experienced directly - and my knowledge of the Ukrainian war and the existence and death of the late Queen is all based on hearsay evidence. I haven't been to Ukraine, I never saw the Queen.

Surely it’s up to Charles what he does with his money. None working royals don’t get paid for security and Andrew is a non working royal. I’m not sure why he was still getting security paid for as he doesn’t qualify as a working royal.

Apparently Charles has kicked him out of his office at Buckingham Palace so Andrew can no longer use that as an address. If Charles wants to pay his security better than the tax payer doing so although we’ll pay in the long run. Bit of a difficulty here as Andrew is still high profile and still needs security.

Hopefully Paddyann52 you never photographed him, how accutely embarrassing that would now be!

I haven't seen any "apologists" for PA paddyann. Saying that a case against him was never proved in a court of law, and that he isn't a convicted sex abuser are facts.

Over and over and over

Yes, unfortunately it does need to keep being said doesn't it.

He is a father, grandfather, partner of many years, brother, uncle, cousin. No different to many men ,

Smileless2012

I haven't seen any "apologists" for PA paddyann. Saying that a case against him was never proved in a court of law, and that he isn't a convicted sex abuser are facts.

Indeed. We really know only what we read.

IF the King chooses to pay for PA security, with his money, that's between brothers, not any of us posting here.

I am assuming they aren't posting on GN or MN.

The King and PA are not my nephew's friend or my second cousin's confidante, nor do I have any other way to "know" their personalities. I doubt either of them will email me the factual details of their lives.

He is very different to the men in my life thankfully.

He was called randy andy when i was a child, so his behaviour must have been going on for years

It's his money, so it's up to him how he spends it surely? Anyway, how does the DM know?

Galaxy

He is very different to the men in my life thankfully.

Same x