XR says no more public disruption

Even better to hold them locally throughout the country on that day?

Better for the environment.

Thanks for that Volver. It does not sound an exact science to me. Very difficult to calculate what the embedded emission is. Take Lithium - that is now being mined in Cornwall so presumably that will reduce the embedded emission. Also we have to see what technology brings. In Victorian towns horse dung was mounting up (pardon the pun) and there were serious concerns about their numbers. Then someone, Mr Ford or MR Benz started producing horseless carriages.

humantraffickingsearch.org/how-child-labour-could-be-fuelling-your-electric-car/

Child labour, and indeed all mining health risks need to be addressed before giving too many pats on the back to those able to afford an electric car. Or maybe we just don't care about people who mine this stuff so some can bask in their green credentials?

Lathyrus

Even better to hold them locally throughout the country on that day?

Better for the environment.

Yes probably.
No protest group wants to split their numbers that way tho.
They have a right to protest peacefully, it’s just their methods rather than their message I object to.

Lathyrus

Even better to hold them locally throughout the country on that day?

Better for the environment.

I agree 100%, but where's the fun in not causing maximum inconvenience to the same group of people time after time? While I'll agree protesting outside parliament is better than closing down major access bridges and roads, all the extra people using trains, tubes and buses to get there will cause inconvenience and delays for the usual passengers.

I think concerted protests throughout the country might be more effective. Lots of people would join in who wouldn’t/couldn’t travel to London and take part in a large protest. Then the extent of support could be seen more accurately.

There’s always (for me at least) that lessening of impact when protesters carry out actions that are in direct contradiction to their stated aims. “Save the planet - but my emissions are justified, because it’s what I want”.

I’m not just talking about the protestors. I think it’s a prevailing attitude everywhere.

Rosie51

humantraffickingsearch.org/how-child-labour-could-be-fuelling-your-electric-car/

Child labour, and indeed all mining health risks need to be addressed before giving too many pats on the back to those able to afford an electric car. Or maybe we just don't care about people who mine this stuff so some can bask in their green credentials?

I read that article Rosie51 and it makes that point that greener technologies must not be advanced at the cost of human rights.

So its quite wrong to say that nobody cares about the people who mine this stuff, a completely misreading of the article and the approach being taken to resolve it.

I think concerted protests throughout the country might be more effective. Lots of people would join in who wouldn’t/couldn’t travel to London and take part in a large protest. Then the extent of support could be seen more accurately
Certainly don’t think of even trying to get to London -or anywhere- by train or other public transport before 9 January

All this complaining about "do as I say, not as I do".

The protesters are not picking on you personally and trying to make you get rid of the Fiesta and wear sackcloth and ashes the rest of your life.

They are drawing attention to the macro aspects of energy supply in this country. That to live the way we want to, we have no choice right now but to use damaging technologies. Its the government attitudes and actions that they are protesting about, so anybody who feels personally picked on needs to reconsider that.

volver

Well, that's my New Year Resolution gone already.

The argument that EVs are worse for the environment than cars powered by the combustion engine is just twaddle, peddled by people who don't have a grasp of the facts. The embedded emissions argument is nonsense.

Buy an EV.

Well I for one can’t afford to.
And I’ve also heard that a replacement battery if needed costs £4K 😱

where are all the old batteries going to go? does anyone know?

Rosie51

humantraffickingsearch.org/how-child-labour-could-be-fuelling-your-electric-car/

Child labour, and indeed all mining health risks need to be addressed before giving too many pats on the back to those able to afford an electric car. Or maybe we just don't care about people who mine this stuff so some can bask in their green credentials?

Thankfully in France they are presently re-opening a mine in my area for Lithium. It is now economically and enviromentally feasable. I doubt child labour will ever be a
problem there, thankfully.

Recycling.

www.drivingelectric.com/your-questions-answered/840/electric-car-battery-recycling-all-you-need-to-know

My 17 year old car has to be replaced shortly but I cannot afford an Electric car even with the generous government aides, As usual you need a substantial income to be able to afford one.
A new one is double my budget.

Oopsadaisy1

Extinction Rebellion

Calling for Government action against Climate Change.

Oh.
I thought it was Crossrail and was rather hoping that Aventi might go down the same path.

Thanks volver, that's a good article and shows how much R&D is going on

Avalon25, JJ, you're both welcome.

MawtheMerrier

^XR has annonced that they will not disrupt the public any more in the attempt to get those in charge to listen^

. Given that they have got the train workers, nurses, ambulance staff, driving instructors, postmen, Border Force, Old Uncle Tom Cobbley and all, to disrupt our lives for them, I’m not surprised they’re taking a break.
(Or perhaps they are striking from disrupting?)

Three cheers for Maw who has summed it up so succinctly.
Maybe some of the strikes on rail, road, post and NHS has actually affected some of them or someone close. Oh! poor things having to suffer what the rest of us have had to put up with. It's different when it affects them.

FannyCornforth

Monica I thought that it was Just Stop Oil who caused all the problems recently.
There are so many of different lots of them I can’t keep up.
I definitely don’t condone disrupting traffic

This is true.

when the "dont stop oil" people demonstrated many here said, "out of order (which I agree with) "why dont you demonstrate instead"

So please let's actually support people's right to gather peacefully. If you don't like, it, do you want everyone just to put up and shut up?

EV sales are dropping because of the price of charging. I know from personal contacts that they are worried. They bought stock at the start of the energy crisis and they’re not shifting.

www.motortrader.com/motor-trader-news/automotive-news/ev-demand-falling-cost-living-energy-prices-increase-13-12-2022

volver

Recycling.

www.drivingelectric.com/your-questions-answered/840/electric-car-battery-recycling-all-you-need-to-know

Thanks volver

Where will all the lithium come from?
It was suggested the ocean bottoms could be a rich source but this could cause immense problems for life in the oceans.

I don’t know why some people are objecting to attempts to clean up our environment, rivers, air, insulating homes and saving energy etc. and are now moaning about people protesting outside parliament - surely that’s the place for protests ? It’s not “different when it affects them” - “they” are not some alien species, “ they speak for many of us who want something done about shit in our rivers and seas, very poor building regulations and priority given to profit over people in this country , which is rapidly shrinking into an isolated backwater thanks to the incompetents in our government. The more protest and strikes which highlight their uselessness the better.

Wyllow3

FannyCornforth

Monica I thought that it was Just Stop Oil who caused all the problems recently.
There are so many of different lots of them I can’t keep up.
I definitely don’t condone disrupting traffic

This is true.

when the "dont stop oil" people demonstrated many here said, "out of order (which I agree with) "why dont you demonstrate instead"

So please let's actually support people's right to gather peacefully. If you don't like, it, do you want everyone just to put up and shut up?

Nobody’s denying their right, just the wisdom or effectiveness of their tactics.

A protest by a minority in Trafalgar Square won’t influence “government attitudes and actions” one iota. It’s only the protests of the majority that will do that.

And at the moment XR has managed to alienate a large proportion of the population so counterproductive.

Either they need to do some serious rethinking about how to achieve their aims or actually they are achieving their aims, which have nothing to do with environmental issues.

Callistemon21

volver

Recycling.

www.drivingelectric.com/your-questions-answered/840/electric-car-battery-recycling-all-you-need-to-know

Thanks volver

Where will all the lithium come from?
It was suggested the ocean bottoms could be a rich source but this could cause immense problems for life in the oceans.

I feel like I'm single handedly having to defend the EV industry🤣

I didn't know Callistemon so I googled it.

www.mckinsey.com/industries/metals-and-mining/our-insights/lithium-mining-how-new-production-technologies-could-fuel-the-global-ev-revolution

Buy an EV.
Can’t afford it.
But would you say that, in that case I should exchange my 20min drive for a 2 different buses and 15 minute walk to work and the same back at the end of the day. The buses have currently been capped at £2 per journey, which is a saving.
Should we exchange our £120 fuel costs and door to door convenience for approx £300 return rail fares (if booked 6 weeks in advance) to go and see our family?
We have changed a lot of what what we do with regard to environmental concerns, but Buy an EV even without the concerns raised about their on-costs and ecological soundness is beyond us, and many others I suspect.