XR says no more public disruption

Well, wishing might be all we have left if they wait much longer. 😢

volver

^But risk being looked down on by those who do have the money to buy one, thus can claim to make a more important contribution to saving the planet than us poor non EV owners.^

Bit of an inferiority complex there Mollygo.

(VD again. Who is that????)

volver

Bit of an inferiority complex there Mollygo.

(VD again. Who is that????)

Wrong again VD, but 🤷‍♀️

Its not just me is it?

I mean I know it's late, but that's just gibberish. 😜

volver

Its not just me is it?

I mean I know it's late, but that's just gibberish. 😜

Your post VD? I so agree, but las you say-I’d late.

Lathyrus

The other problem is the image that X-RAY and others have created of themselves which has alienated the majority and so led to rejection of the message.

They’ve caused immeasurable harm.

Sorry but I can’t let this one go.

Please give facts about the ‘immeasurable harm’ that XR have caused.

The actual immeasurable harm is flooding, heatwaves and other weather related problems that are causing deaths and destruction of property and are very likely to get worse over the coming years.

Yes all those things cause immeasurable harm. But it isn’t an either/or. It’s perfectly possible for other things, like the XR tactics, to also cause immeasurable harm.

As we are often reminded, the virtue of an electable government is that it can be unelected if it’s policies are unpopular. So it follows that if any government is to bring in the policies and changes that are needed it must take the electorate with it, in supporting those policies.

By creating a hostile reaction to its activities XR has also created a hostile attitude to many of the changes needed. Its image as a disruptive force that damages people’s lives has alienated people and made them unreceptive.

The general opinion of XR activists is not of caring concerned people but of hypocritical non contributors to society, who showed no care or compassion for people that they distressed.

That may not be true but it is how they presented to the vast majority. This is the immeasurable harm they have done. To create a negative environment for change.

That is not the general opinion of XR. The users of GN are not representative of the general demographics of the population, so its wrong to extrapolate what you personally think and what you read on here to the "general opinion" of the "vast majority".

For instance, XR is only popular with 5% of Tory voters but is popular with 34% of Labour voters. They are only slightly less popular than the friends of the British Library, and more popular than the Electoral Reform Society.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/not-for-profit/Extinction_Rebellion?content=surveys

In any case, it doesn't matter. They're not trying to be popular and if they upset you, that's too bad.

The thing they are protesting about transcends party politics anyway.

Good post Lathyrus.
They've certainly alienated this relatively well-informed worried-about- the -planet person. I really want to see some much more urgent action on the global warming issue but I don't want to be thought aligned with these people.
They've been targeting the wrong people, the ordinary person in the street trying to get on with their lives. The ones they should be having a go at are governments, big corporations and the super rich, the latter being apparently 1% of the population yet responsible for 50% of the carbon footprint. Although feel free to correct me on that one.

They've got you talking though, haven't they?

...the super rich, the latter being apparently 1% of the population yet responsible for 50% of the carbon footprint.

Its not the super rich we need to worry about, its you and me and the country we live in. Hope this helps to make you more well informed.

Its never as straightforward as people think it is.

The link: www.carbonbrief.org/top-1-of-emitters-caused-almost-a-quarter-of-global-emissions-since-1990/

It beggars belief that some big voices on GN are seemingly supporting the nasty, disruptive actions undertaken in the name of climate action. It beggars belief how gluing yourself to a precious artwork could further their cause. Or how disrupting many peoples lives gains support.
That’s why XR will never have my support. They’re a bunch of nasties with little intellectual reasoning.

I Googled the following by an author who is a science professor:

The impact of global warming will increase in the coming years, but the degree of change will vary greatly, depending on where you live and depending on how rapidly nations around the world reduce greenhouse emissions. No matter where you live, though, the unchecked impacts of climate change are potentially catastrophic in the long-term.

It affects people: Depending on their location, people may be affected by disease, rising sea levels, drought, or major storms. The impact of these effects will be greatest on those with the least financial resources to adapt to or recover from the effects.

It causes extreme weather: While the atmosphere warms, the climate is changing, and so is the weather. More frequent and more intense storms, flooding, droughts, heat waves, and even extreme snowfalls are all part of the changes.

It increases extinctions: Changing climates mean that some environments may no longer be hospitable for certain plants or animals, which will need to relocate to survive. Some species, such as polar bears, have nowhere to go. Extinction is a possibility for many species of animals and plants, which may be unable to adapt to their environment at the same speed at which the climate is changing it.

It melts ice at the poles: The Arctic ice is melting so rapidly that within a few years the North Pole will be ice covered only seasonally. This has a dramatic impact on the planet’s climate: Polar ice reflects sunlight and deflects heat; when it melts, more of that heat stays in the atmosphere. The melting of the Greenland and Western Antarctic Ice Sheets threatens an extreme rise in sea levels.

It warms oceans: While the oceans warm, water is expanding and causing sea levels to rise. Warmer waters are killing coral reefs and krill — essential to supporting the sea food web.

(No more fish fingers etc etc etc etc etc etc et c ----)

I mean to say, major present disruptions to people's lives are caused by climate activists.

However:

Like the Suffragettes well knew, desperate times demand desperate measures.

ExperiencedNotOld

It beggars belief that some big voices on GN are seemingly supporting the nasty, disruptive actions undertaken in the name of climate action. It beggars belief how gluing yourself to a precious artwork could further their cause. Or how disrupting many peoples lives gains support.
That’s why XR will never have my support. They’re a bunch of nasties with little intellectual reasoning.

I guess you mean me?

It beggars belief that someone who don't understand the content of posts can say other have got little intellectual reasoning. Perhaps you can copy the post where I said I support their "disruptive actions"?

I won't wait, it'll take you a while.

It was ever thus.

Lots of people support people's right to protest, even if they don't agree with the cause. We are not China

You’re a very rude person.
The OP was “XR has annonced that they will not disrupt the public any more in the attempt to get those in charge to listen”.
It was you that changed the discussion into a lecture on what YOU arrogantly think we should all be thinking.
I stand by my own opinion.

volver

That is not the general opinion of XR. The users of GN are not representative of the general demographics of the population, so its wrong to extrapolate what you personally think and what you read on here to the "general opinion" of the "vast majority".

For instance, XR is only popular with 5% of Tory voters but is popular with 34% of Labour voters. They are only slightly less popular than the friends of the British Library, and more popular than the Electoral Reform Society.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/not-for-profit/Extinction_Rebellion?content=surveys

In any case, it doesn't matter. They're not trying to be popular and if they upset you, that's too bad.

The thing they are protesting about transcends party politics anyway.

That’s right. My only contact with the outside world is GN and I base all my opinions on what I read here😂😂😂😂😂😂🙄

Can I point out that if 34% of Labour voters are in favour of XR that means a massive 66% view them negatively. Plus the 95% of Tory voters. And at least one neither of those😬

Maybe it’s your view that is rather limited to those you mix with?

ExperiencedNotOld

You’re a very rude person.
The OP was “XR has annonced that they will not disrupt the public any more in the attempt to get those in charge to listen”.
It was you that changed the discussion into a lecture on what YOU arrogantly think we should all be thinking.
I stand by my own opinion.

Good. I'm glad people stand by their own opinions.

Perhaps if I think you should all be thinking that climate change considerations are a bit more important than gluing oneself to a Perspex sheet covering some artwork, then that makes me "arrogant".

Perhaps answering people's questions when I know something about the topic makes me "arrogant". Perhaps correcting things that people have posted that are egregiously wrong makes me "arrogant."

But as for rude - well its not me who described people as "a bunch of nasties with little intellectual reasoning".

MawtheMerrier

^XR has annonced that they will not disrupt the public any more in the attempt to get those in charge to listen^

. Given that they have got the train workers, nurses, ambulance staff, driving instructors, postmen, Border Force, Old Uncle Tom Cobbley and all, to disrupt our lives for them, I’m not surprised they’re taking a break.
(Or perhaps they are striking from disrupting?)

Quite, Maw, and who the heck do they think they now could bring out on strike? Who is left?

And “popular “ actually means the populace are pro something.

Isn’t that what XR want?

Volver - my comment was generalised whereas yours is aimed. I stand by everything I’ve said. Please feel free to continue your attack, you’ll make yourself look ridiculous in time.

Lathyrus

Can I point out that if 34% of Labour voters are in favour of XR that means a massive 66% view them negatively. Plus the 95% of Tory voters. And at least one neither of those😬

Maybe it’s your view that is rather limited to those you mix with?

You're still drawing wrong conclusions.

They are popular with 34% of Labour voters and if you look a the survey I quoted 29% of Labour voters had never heard of them, and 32% of people in all segments disliked them.

32% is less than half of the 66% you have conjured up out of the air and still nothing like the "vast majority".

Maths is hard for some, isn't it?

Lathyrus

And “popular “ actually means the populace are pro something.

Isn’t that what XR want?

No. 😕

extinctionrebellion.uk/the-truth/demands/

Please note, copy-posting does not imply support 😂