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Nanatoone Tue 17-Jan-23 13:23:01

I know teachers have a problem with this, my daughter teaches 150 secondary children a day, why on Earth should she be expected to remember these idiosyncrasies? It seems a way of drawing attention to one self it seems to me. Being different seems to be an aim now. I don’t have a lot of patience for it. I do respect people’s rights to change their gender, it doesn’t bother me at all. I do think a lot of things have gone too far with no sign of stopping.

eazybee Tue 17-Jan-23 13:12:28

I refuse to use the they/their pronouns when referring to a single person; it just creates confusion, particularly when used on the radio and the person concerned is not visible. I believe if I were still teaching I would lose my job.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 17-Jan-23 12:43:05

Oh, you brought back memories there Abitbarmy!

Pammie1 Tue 17-Jan-23 12:41:37

Doodledog

The chances are they wouldn't know, Doodle. If you and I were in a group, I would refer to you as Doodle, whether I talked directly to you or was referring to you when talking to others (eg 'Would you pass this to Doodle, please?'). It would only be if you left the room that I would use a pronoun, as in 'Doodle has gone to the loo - does she take sugar in her coffee?' If I said 'does 'kittenself' (or would it be 'kittenthey'?) like sugar in her coffee, you would be no wiser. It seems to me incredibly self-obsessed to want to control the way people refer to you when you aren't there.

It is also disrespectful of others who may wish to keep their gender preferences to themselves when people insist that everyone should declare a pronoun. People may have one identity at work and another at home, particularly if 'home' is abroad in an intolerant society. Forcing the issue can make life very difficult in those circumstances, and I wish it would stop.

A very clear breakdown of the problems I have with it all too. Like you, I don’t understand the obsession with controlling how you are referred to in your absence. As for compelling everyone to declare a pronoun, I think rather than displaying tolerance, it actually demonstrates intolerance of a different kind, encourages virtue signalling, and is another example of the minority trying to control the majority.

Abitbarmy Tue 17-Jan-23 12:30:05

I’ll join too please. I often think of Terry Wogan and his home for the bewildered! I wonder what he would have made of everything these day. He did make me laugh.

Doodledog Tue 17-Jan-23 12:22:14

The chances are they wouldn't know, Doodle. If you and I were in a group, I would refer to you as Doodle, whether I talked directly to you or was referring to you when talking to others (eg 'Would you pass this to Doodle, please?'). It would only be if you left the room that I would use a pronoun, as in 'Doodle has gone to the loo - does she take sugar in her coffee?' If I said 'does 'kittenself' (or would it be 'kittenthey'?) like sugar in her coffee, you would be no wiser. It seems to me incredibly self-obsessed to want to control the way people refer to you when you aren't there.

It is also disrespectful of others who may wish to keep their gender preferences to themselves when people insist that everyone should declare a pronoun. People may have one identity at work and another at home, particularly if 'home' is abroad in an intolerant society. Forcing the issue can make life very difficult in those circumstances, and I wish it would stop.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 17-Jan-23 12:01:42

Can I join too please?

MawtheMerrier Tue 17-Jan-23 11:43:49

I’ll join you in the Lost (Stolen or Strayed) department!

Doodle Tue 17-Jan-23 11:40:44

I confess I find the whole pronoun thing difficult to understand. I can cope with the he/his she/her. I have difficulty with they as I think of the word as plural.
Today in an article I came across ze/zir and wondered why people would use these terms and and what they meant.

Looking up neopronouns I discover that a neopronoun is a word that can be created to serve as a pronoun.
For example bun/bunself or kitten/kittenself,
If someone used bun/bunself would they be upset if others referred to them as they/themself? I’m lost.