Neopronouns

I have repeatedly said I wouldnt make them do anything how could I? Anyone can describe themselves aanything they like. And no I dont think non binary people are dangerous
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We don’t need to know the gender of someone in a zoom meeting either.

Which is my point.

I, me, myself... gender neutral pronouns

If someone wrote:

I went to the shop today and tried on some new clothes that looked good on me. I asked myself if I could really afford them and decided to put them back...

We wouldn't know their gender, we don't need to know their gender and there is absolutely no need to state gender when referring to a third party in many instances

Which is why gender neutral third party pronouns came into existence... quite a while ago now

Doodledog

Who refers to themselves as 'him' or 'her'?

I use 'I', 'me' and occasionally 'myself'.

I don't think anyone has said that NB people are dangerous, have they?? And how are their options limited? This is starting to sound like the 'most marginalised' trope.

I’ve read through the posts, and the only person who mentions being non-binary means dangerous is Glorianny herself.
Implying she knows what anyone believes sounds a bit like thought police.
I’ll be waiting for her explanation of how their options are limited.
Re ‘most marginalised’
I’m sure at least one poster is keeping that in readiness.

Who refers to themselves as 'him' or 'her'?

I use 'I', 'me' and occasionally 'myself'.

I don't think anyone has said that NB people are dangerous, have they?? And how are their options limited? This is starting to sound like the 'most marginalised' trope.

Galaxy

I am not compelling them to do anything, you are trying to compel me to use certain words. The history of people saying 'theres no harm' is very relevant, as in pretty much every previous discussion, the words 'no harm' were used, and those words were incorrect.

But you say they have to describe themselves as him or her, how is that not telling them what to do?
If I say I want to cross the road here and you insist I must cross at the lights or on the crossing 50 yards away. you are telling me what to do. You may do it because you believe it is safer but you are still telling me what to do.
You may believe non-binary people are dangerous in some way and so refuse to recognise them, but by limiting their options and refusing their requests, you are telling them what to do.

I did and I did and I didn’t expect an answer, so that was a surprise.

Of course they aren't compelling you. You on the other hand seem to be telling them they can't be who they want to be.

Remind me - who is twisting words?

I am not compelling them to do anything, you are trying to compel me to use certain words. The history of people saying 'theres no harm' is very relevant, as in pretty much every previous discussion, the words 'no harm' were used, and those words were incorrect.

Sorry rest of that post!

Mollygo

^I don't think I used the word "compel" I did say you were telling them that they can't be who they want to be.^
Where did DD tell anyone they can’t be who they want to be. Or is that another of your obfuscatory claims that didn’t actually happen?

Perhaps you should read the rest of that sentence Molllygo then comment.

I don't think I used the word "compel" I did say you were telling them that they can't be who they want to be.
Where did DD tell anyone they can’t be who they want to be. Or is that another of your obfuscatory claims that didn’t actually happen?

Doodledog

Can you show anything that says anyone on here has said that they want to compel non-binary people to do anything at all?

I don't think I used the word "compel" I did say you were telling them that they can't be who they want to be.
That's slightly different.
But trying to twist out of it again.
If you won't accept non-binary as a designation, if you won't use the pronoun "they" you are insisting they become either her or him. Is that compelling?

Can you show anything that says anyone on here has said that they want to compel non-binary people to do anything at all?

Well said Galaxy

Glorianny, your use of use of obfuscation gentrification, insinuation . . . 🤣🤣🤣

I wonder if someone could bring in global warming as a reason not to use non-binary or the pronoun "they" I'm sure it could be included with a bit of effort.

Galaxy

Compelled speech is not something I believe in. People can call themselves anything they like obviously, I can call myself Queen Galaxy but I cant compel people to use that title when I am not around (which is mostly when pronouns are used).
And you actually have no idea if it's no harm, none at all. No harm has been said at every step of the way and has been wrong each time, wrong about puberty blockers, wrong about social affirmation for young people, wrong about the tavistock, so sorry but I dont know that I am going to trust random people when it comes to 'no harm' for young people in particular.

Nothing to do with puberty blockers, nothing to do with social affirmation, nothing to do with Tavistock.
I'm finding it hilarious that all of these things have to be dredged up to justify the fact that you simply refuse to acknowledge or recognise someone's right to describe themselves as non-binary and ask you to use the pronoun "they" about them.
Of course they aren't compelling you. You on the other hand seem to be telling them they can't be who they want to be

Well said, Galaxy.

Compelled speech is not something I believe in. People can call themselves anything they like obviously, I can call myself Queen Galaxy but I cant compel people to use that title when I am not around (which is mostly when pronouns are used).
And you actually have no idea if it's no harm, none at all. No harm has been said at every step of the way and has been wrong each time, wrong about puberty blockers, wrong about social affirmation for young people, wrong about the tavistock, so sorry but I dont know that I am going to trust random people when it comes to 'no harm' for young people in particular.

I'm not obfuscating (and that's rich, coming from you!).

the question was if you believe you have no obligation to respect their views how on earth can you expect them to respect yours?

And my answer is that I don't expect anything of anyone. I simply prefer not to declare a pronoun. What other people do is up to them.

Doodledog

I am not saying that I don't respect anyone's views 🙄

What I am saying (for the umpteenth time) is that I don't intend to declare a pronoun, and also for the umpteenth time, however much you tell me that no-one is forcing anyone to declare their own pronoun, people are expected to do so in some workplaces. the fact that this has never applied to you is irrelevant - It Happens.

I am not asking anyone to do anything. I don't care whether someone I'm emailing or Zooming is male or female, or whether they see themselves as neither. I just wasn't to communicate with them. I wouldn't be using pronouns in those circumstances - the only time I would do so would be in their absence, so they wouldn't hear.

Any conflict with my beliefs comes from 'captured' workplaces who ask everyone to comply with a request to declare so-called 'gender' pronouns. I do not want to do this, and I don't place anyone else under an 'obligation' to do so either, so your interesting question really doesn't apply.

It's so interesting that you appear to find it impossible to simply answer the question and instead bring up a lot of quite frankly irrelevancies about people forcing you to do something . Combine that with your previous post about naked teenage girls in changing rooms and we have complete obfuscation.
Possibly because there really isn't a logical reason for not accepting non-binary people and their pronoun "they"

I am not saying that I don't respect anyone's views 🙄

What I am saying (for the umpteenth time) is that I don't intend to declare a pronoun, and also for the umpteenth time, however much you tell me that no-one is forcing anyone to declare their own pronoun, people are expected to do so in some workplaces. the fact that this has never applied to you is irrelevant - It Happens.

I am not asking anyone to do anything. I don't care whether someone I'm emailing or Zooming is male or female, or whether they see themselves as neither. I just wasn't to communicate with them. I wouldn't be using pronouns in those circumstances - the only time I would do so would be in their absence, so they wouldn't hear.

Any conflict with my beliefs comes from 'captured' workplaces who ask everyone to comply with a request to declare so-called 'gender' pronouns. I do not want to do this, and I don't place anyone else under an 'obligation' to do so either, so your interesting question really doesn't apply.

To both Galaxy and Doodledog All they want is for you to accept that they choose to be non-binary ,that they don't think you have a right to force them to declare as "him" or "her" and accept "they" as their pronoun in every day life. Nothing to do with services or circumstances where their sex may be need to be known. Just pronouns in everyday life.

Quite how that conflicts with your beliefs, or forces you to collude with fantasies I don't know. It's quite simple.
And no one is forcing anyone to declare their own pronoun
They are asking that you respect theirs.

Of course the interesting question is if you believe you have no obligation to respect their views how on earth can you expect them to respect yours?

So what you are actually saying is that because someone may at some point require medical services or choose to benefit from a service that depends upon their sex you must be able to know their gender. Why?

I'm not speaking for Galaxy, but for myself I don't want to know their gender. I couldn't care less. There are times when I want to know their sex, (such as if they are male and hanging about in a changing room where teenage girls are naked), but the reason why I object to the insistence that people declare pronouns on emails and/or screens is that I am not remotely interested in how people 'identify'. That is up to them, but they shouldn't be able to force me or anyone else to declare ours, or to collude in their fantasies.