Has anyone watched the 90 minute BBC documentary on Shamima Begum?

''i see no comparison with rotherham etc victims.'' so a 15 year old groomed in Rotherham is innocent and a victim... but Shemima at the same age is responsible for her actions.

I can assure you all the 15 year olds I know would realise that mature men who give them cigarettes, alcohol, cheap goodies, and rides in their car- would KNOW 100% that it was wrong, and that they should run.

But Shemima and the other girls came from families that didn't support them or showed them affection. And I am quite sure, just like Shemima, when school, social workers, friends, etc, told them NOT TO, they wouldn't have listened anyway. Just like Shemima.

Shamima says in the documentary she wouldn’t have listened to her older self telling her not to go.

I might just watch the documentary again tonight.
It was that good, it bears another look.

Chances were missed too regarding Shamima. School had concerns and wanted to alert her parent. Stupidly they passed the letter to Shamima herself to ‘give to mum’. Aargh!

Shamima’s older sister who loves her was most upset by this error.

British citizen? If she truly felt British she would not have gone there in the first place. She is a traitor to this country and all the benefits she and her family have gained from being allowed to come and live here. She fought alongside the people she truly felt an affinity with.

So Curtaintwitcher- is a 15 year old legally and morally responsible for his/her actions or not? Be it in Rotherham or wherever?

Either one is, or none of them.

It is important to consider that teenagers brains are still developing and do not function fully as adults until well into their 20s. Simply put they don’t have the same ability to consider the consequences of their actions, and decision making is led much more by emotion.
We certainly are not the individuals we were at 15 Doodledog 😀

Doodledog

*But if he’d said that in order to live this idyllic life you’d have to watch people being beheaded, and maybe be involved in killings, ,would you still have gone….*

No, but I don't think that that side of things was made clear to SB either. The documentary showed a propaganda video with smiling children being handed food and toys, and handsome men in mixed-sex crowds.

I think she was wrong to go - who wouldn't think that? But I also think that she made a mistake as a 15 year old who was taken in by people well-schooled in manipulation and grooming, and that 15 year olds should not be written off for doing stupid things, however bad they are.

I haven’t yet watched the documentary, so I apologise to you for my comment, which possibly sounded rude. I think I assumed she knew all aspects of what she was getting involved in.

No problem .

We'll never know all the details, I don't suppose, but I don't think she knew half of what to expect.

Urmonstongran Sorry i think you have misunderstood my post, probably my fault but what I meant was, people are prepared to accept that white girls were groomed but not Asian girls. I take your point about the Rotherham case, the girls were between 12-16 and they were completely let down by the police and most of the Social workers. It was truly appalling and as I've already said, these victims were labelled as having made "life choices" It beggars belief!

Aw thanks for coming back to explain foxie that was kind of you.
😊

I haven’t watched the programme Urmstongran so can’t answer your question, but thankyou for this thread. I will definitely watch it now having read read yours and others views.

At the beginning of this I had no sympathy for her untill I watched this latest documentary, I’m married to an RAF Soldier and his opinions are very clear “she made her choice she’s a risk not worth taking” and I also felt that way untill I watched the with an open mind and thought back to my younger 15yr old self and what opinions I had and this was an eye opener because had she not had the pier pressure would she have glorified this new better life, had her parents been informed of the prior isis school girl issue would they have been able to sit her down and show her the actual facts that isis was a murderous organisation and a threat to our and other peoples country, would she still have made those choices ? I think not……. She was radicalised by her friend who was there and told to ignore any news coverage, that it was lies, what 15 yr old sits and watches the news? I know I didn’t !!!!! She took the word of the only person to make her feel included and that was charmina who was there already and no doubt brain washed also. Shamina and her parents were failed by the school and any other association that had any inkling to the trafficking and radicalisation of our British girls, my husband and I totally disagree he says she’s a threat and I say she’s learned a very hard life lesson but she is still a British responsibility and it should be up to us to re educate her on the systemic pressure she faced and to act as a warning to any other innocent naive girls who believe that joining isis is the right thing to do, by all means make an example of her but don’t persecute her forever I believe she has suffered enough…….

My opinion of her hasn’t changed. She’s just sorry it went pear shaped.

To add to my comment, I think she could be brought back to Britain and although not be free we could put her in some form of a detention facility and she could visit schools telling her story and be a warning to any other impressionable girls that the choices they make should be smart not stupid, don’t persecute her, use her experience, knowledge and now realisation that the choices she made were without doubt stupid, don’t set her free if that’s the majority decision but use her stupidity to educate to make sure nobody makes the choices she made, where are the safeguards when she was radicalised?

I agree too with your comments, I don’t feel sorry for her but I do believe her experience could help with future radicalisations of young girls, surely she has suffered enough, she was groomed in Britain and it’s Britain that should decide her plight.

Allsorts

My opinion of her hasn’t changed. She’s just sorry it went pear shaped.

agree.
i didn't watch much of the tv programme, but did follow the radio 4 series.
my view has not changed. she is not to be trusted.

I wouldn’t trust her one bit; I think she’s very manipulative and changes her story to suit the narrative.
It suits her too well to be ‘sorry’ when it’s all gone wrong; she wasn’t sorry when completely innocent people were massacred.

Special Immigrations Appeal are deciding this morning whether she is to be allowed to return to U.K.

Asking with no agenda here - I'm genuinely interested. How can those who believe that someone is only sorry they've been caught, or that things have gone wrong etc know this about someone they've never met?

I can sort of understand thinking that about a person you've known for years if you'd had experience of their lack of remorse about similar transgressions to the one in question, But a stranger, who has gone from being 15 to her early 20s, who is from a different culture from most of us on here, who has let three babies in five years - how can you be sure whether she is sorry or not?

To take SB out of it, how could someone on here know my motives for doing something, or whether I regret things that I say I do?

I just don't understand that way of thinking and am asking so I can try to understand.

She has a crack legal team.
I wonder who funds it? Charities I suppose. 🤔

She has lost her case. Breaking News.

Her appeal has just been dismissed. I remember Javid saying ‘if you knew what I know…’. There are aspects which are matters of national security which we do not and will not for many years know about.

Good.

That old chestnut comes to mind:
“If in doubt, do nowt”.

As you say GSM we don’t know the full picture.

Germanshepherdsmum

Her appeal has just been dismissed. I remember Javid saying ‘if you knew what I know…’. There are aspects which are matters of national security which we do not and will not for many years know about.

Yes, that is true. I really hope that her appeal was rejected with good reason. It seems to me very harsh, but as you say, we don’t know all there is to know.