Has anyone watched the 90 minute BBC documentary on Shamima Begum?

Several years ago I was part of the leave her where she is brigade.

I have since changed my mind and believe she is the U.K.’s problem, she was a U.K. Citizen and feel uncomfortable that her status has been removed.

I appreciate that we are not in receipt of the full facts however, if she is deemed to be that dangerous isn’t it better to have her here, either under lock and key or surveillance?

Leaving her where she is could lead to her radicalising others and a new generation of jihadi terrorists ready to seek revenge on the West.

From the Telegraph this morning (before the ruling):

“The case comes as counter-terrorism chiefs are braced to face down a renewed threat from extremists who, like Ms Begum, have travelled, or plan to travel, overseas to join militant groups. Matt Jukes, the head of counter-terrorism policing, said an increasing number of jihadists were being detected travelling to countries such as Syria, several years after IS lost its grip on the region.

Islamist terrorism is still considered to be the greatest threat to the British public, according to the police chief.

Authorities fear that if Ms Begum were to win the case, it could set a precedent that allows an influx of potentially dangerous jihadists. It has been estimated that around 60 British citizens are being held in indefinite detention in Syria after fleeing areas once controlled by IS. A greater threat could be posed by up to 150 terror suspects who have been stripped of their British citizenship and could try to challenge their own rulings if Ms Begum’s case succeeds.”

I think the authorities fear if they let Begum back in, it opens the door for other jihadists to return GG13.

Like you, I changed my mind after seeing the 90 minute BBC documentary but I do appreciate many factors are at play here. I think it’s best to place my trust in M15. They know more than I do. It’s hard to judge isn’t it?

She's been denied, and personally I think this is the right decision. As Urms says, we must trust in MI5 and that they know the full story.

I think our Government has once again refused to take responsibility in exchange for what it imagines is public support.

I worry that we are removing all hope and further radicalising her by not allowing her back to U.K. where she can be supervised. It can’t be much of a life in a refugee camp, and one she can’t have envisaged as an immature 15 year old.

Islamist terrorism is still considered to be the greatest threat to the British public, according to the police chief

Yet we've let in 45,000 plus and counting illegals who have crossed the Channel in small boats who mostly have no identity papers what about the threat they pose, mainly fit young men who have been put up in hotels all across Britain 😡

I'm glad Begum has lost her appeal.

Ilovecheese

I think our Government has once again refused to take responsibility in exchange for what it imagines is public support.

I agree, I think she should be allowed to stay, with "terms and conditions" that could be revoked.

Terms and conditions? Good grief.

I believe the greatest threat to the British Public is climate change in the longer term, and nuclear war in the shorter Maudi.

Most 15 year olds can read or see the news. They know what Isis stand for. They have carried out untold atrocities throughout the world, including here in this country which she now so wants to take her back.

I trust that the Security Forces know what they are doing. I also watched the programme and did feel compassion for her because I think that she is not in control of her life and that she is still being manipulated.... and thus is still dangerous to this country..

So we have left 60 British citizens for Syria to deal with and stripped another 150 of their citizenship, presumably throwing them back to some poor country expecting them to take responsibility.
It's a disgrace. And it's short sighted. If they are still active those people will be recruiting others. It's unlikely those countries will have the resources to monitor them.
She should be brought back here and supervised closely.
We should accept responsibility for the monsters we created.
I'm ashamed of my country.
And they should know "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"

I'm not sure it's possible to supervise someone 24/7.

On further thinking about this ... her father lives in Bangladesh. I know Begum has never lived there but she does have dual citizenship, does know her dad, would be out of that hell hole of a camp in Syria. I’d be on a plane to him and make a life. Got to be better than living where she is.

I feel sorry for her to be honest. But if M15 have ‘grave concerns’ I’d rather trust them than Begum’s lawyers.

On a few occasions in that documentary Begum did say ‘I don’t want to answer that question’. On a few occasions her silence about events with her jihadist husband concerned me.

In an ideal world she’d be brought home, sentenced, put in prison for her crimes, monitored (? for life - although expensive). But multiply this surveillance and prison costs by goodness knows how many and no wonder many of the general public just think ‘why have her and others back?’.

And I think it’s too simplistic to say ‘it’s the government’. They take in consideration M15’s concerns. Would we really expect otherwise?

got be be better than living where she is It has been reported that the Bangladesh government have said that Begum will be hanged if she goes there Urms.

I doubt she’ll be choosing that option. I think she, and others in a similar situation, of whom there are apparent quite a few, are now vulnerable to further radicalisation and will become more of a threat to the U.K.

They’ve nothing to lose. Without hope they will want to identify with those they know who will accept them.

I feel this demonstrates yet another drop in our standard of morality as a country. tbh I am disgusted, she was trafficked, she is British and she is our responsibility. She made a pretty stupid and dangerous decision as a 15 year old but she was one of three very impressionable girls, the other two are dead. If as a 15 year old she had committed a very serious crime like murder she would have been tried and sentenced as a Juvenile and at some point would have been given the opportunity to rebuild her life, she should have been brought home to be tried.

She was not trafficked. She made a decision of her own volition and was old enough to know what Isis stood for. She has shown no remorse for the killings she witnessed. I have no doubt that she would seek to radicalise others whether here or abroad. Much radicalisation occurs in British jails.

Foxie I agree totally
I think your views are harsh GSM Mary Bell murdered a child but has been given a new life so were the James Bulger murderers
She is our responsibility You don’t know she would radicalise others any more than I know she hopefully wouldn’t

I think she is very regretful of her actions when a child, but unfortunately for her she doesn’t show emotions and has obviously closed herself off, which comes across as hard and unremorseful I think she’s had a horrible life losing all her babies and ending up for years in a refugee camp
She should be reinstated and brought back to her home country not left in limbo land she’s our responsibility and should be dealt with by us not left to another country to sort out she didn’t take on there residency

Of course she was trafficked. She could not have got to Raqqa without the help of much older men and once there her only escape from the place she was taken was to "marry" an ISIS member. In my book that's being trafficked for the purpose of sexual exploitation, however, I don't think for one minute that I can change the mind of anyone who sees it differently they are as entitled to their opinion as much as I am.

I have just posted on the other thread, that when Greta Thunberg was 15 she was on the world stage lecturing Presidents and Prime Ministers.

SB was the same age when she stole her sisters passport in order to travel to Turkey and on to Syria for what she describes as a life of adventure

foxie48

I feel this demonstrates yet another drop in our standard of morality as a country. tbh I am disgusted, she was trafficked, she is British and she is our responsibility. She made a pretty stupid and dangerous decision as a 15 year old but she was one of three very impressionable girls, the other two are dead. If as a 15 year old she had committed a very serious crime like murder she would have been tried and sentenced as a Juvenile and at some point would have been given the opportunity to rebuild her life, she should have been brought home to be tried.

Yes.

GrannyGravy13

I have just posted on the other thread, that when Greta Thunberg was 15 she was on the world stage lecturing Presidents and Prime Ministers.

SB was the same age when she stole her sisters passport in order to travel to Turkey and on to Syria for what she describes as a ^life of adventure^

So are you saying that young women are never trafficked or groomed ? That in effect they know exactly what they are doing?

Quite so, GG.
BlueBelle: Mary Bell and James Bulger’s killers cannot be compared with a much older girl who willingly participated in terrorism and mass murder. She is a dangerous enemy of our State, not a young child who committed one murder, heinous though those murders were.

It has been reported that the Bangladesh government have said that Begum will be hanged if she goes there Urms.

I didn’t know that Farzanah 😱