Why oh why is there so much hate

Fleurpepper

The girl was constantly bullied for being trans, over quite a period of time. But for whatever reason, hatred and violence. Saying being trans had nothing to do with it certainly has an agenda.

But whatever the reason, it seems sad that her death certificate, after so much bullying and ending in her death, related or not- will give her male name rather than the one she chose to use, with passion.

Parents are mourning the death of their child and people are complaining about what name will be on the death certificate…

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Fleurpepper

BeverleyJB

Fleurpepper

Brianna Ghey: a 16-year-old trans girl has been killed in Cheshire but two other teenagers.

And the anti trans brigade find nothing better to do than to insist her death certificate says 'male'.

And the “trans”rights activists use the young person's death to whip up more hatred and spread lies. I've never seen any GC comments about what is or isn't entered on a death certificate.

I think you’ll find that's one of the many facetious arguments used by “trans” men who insist on that self ID is harmless and means they can live (and die) as themselves.

I don't understand your post. She was murdered because she was trans. And I am not a trans activist, btw.

FP, can you link us up to where you read that Brianna was murdered because she was trans, please? AS VS says, it is awful that people are already using a young person's death to further their own agenda, and whereas your earlier post shows that this is happening from the side of the trans lobby, like BeverleyJB I have seen nothing at all to suggest that anyone else is commenting on what goes on the death certificate.

Maudi. It is disputed/unreliable rumour that a 15 year old girl was chatted up by an asylum seeker, but even if true, I don't see many riots at building sights when young girls are chatted up by builders, do you? Can you work out the difference?

No we shouldn't Galaxy.

Police have said it was a "targeted attack"

We will have to wait to find out why she was targeted

FP the police are saying the opposite, I am not sure we should be saying things that we dont know are true.

Fleurpepper

BeverleyJB

Fleurpepper

Brianna Ghey: a 16-year-old trans girl has been killed in Cheshire but two other teenagers.

And the anti trans brigade find nothing better to do than to insist her death certificate says 'male'.

And the “trans”rights activists use the young person's death to whip up more hatred and spread lies. I've never seen any GC comments about what is or isn't entered on a death certificate.

I think you’ll find that's one of the many facetious arguments used by “trans” men who insist on that self ID is harmless and means they can live (and die) as themselves.

I don't understand your post. She was murdered because she was trans. And I am not a trans activist, btw.

The police are saying that there is no evidence that this was a hate crime. Do you know something they don’t know yet?

Ita always awful to hear we have lost another young person amd awful to hear people are already using a young person's death to further their own agenda.

I don't know whether crimes like this are going up or down or even changing I just know its desperately sad to see a young life cut short like this

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From what I can see generally secular societies have lower rates of violence than religious ones.

The fact we are a much more secular society may have something to do with it.

In days gone by, people would have feared retribution from a vengeful god for killing another human being.

Now, well….

Can you identify why if a girl or woman is harassed or raped by an asylum seeker it is more horrific than them being raped by their father, brother, partner or a stranger Maudi?
Clue - it isn’t, but it is hyped up to fever pitch by the media and the misguided, gullible and racist elements take to the streets. Neo-Nazi groups formed by people who live legally in this country are far more threatening to our society.

Fleurpepper

Brianna Ghey: a 16-year-old trans girl has been killed in Cheshire but two other teenagers.

And the anti trans brigade find nothing better to do than to insist her death certificate says 'male'.

And the “trans”rights activists use the young person's death to whip up more hatred and spread lies. I've never seen any GC comments about what is or isn't entered on a death certificate.

I think you’ll find that's one of the many facetious arguments used by “trans” men who insist on that self ID is harmless and means they can live (and die) as themselves.

We don't know why they killed her it might be nothing to do with the fact that she was trans.

Knife crime is on the increase they need to bring back stop and search although I don't think the ones who killed her would have been searched. No deterrents now just a slap on the wrist, perhaps the thought of the death penalty might have saved her, who knows as discussed on another thread.

As for the protests/riots in Liverpool a 15 year old girl was sexually harassed by a 25 year old asylum seeker he didn't think there was anything wrong with this age gap and the fact that she is a child, I don't condone violence but this is not acceptable, in Kent 3 Afghan asylum seekers raped a young girl in their class. Over 350 hotels are being used to house these so called asylum/illegal men it's a powder keg expect more reprisals unless this useless government acts now to stop these boats.

I know of 3 deaths in my city that weren’t in the national news.
Drugs are the cause of a lot of young deaths, and unfortunately the police are loosing the battle on that one.
The ease of being able to buy a gun or knife is totally unrecognisable to years ago.
Then we have the biggest problem: these people have no fear of the law, and why should they.

It’s not all about killings its about hate, the hatred that is so present now, total lack of compassion, I don’t remember that before these last few years

But Casdon you can’t compare ‘acts of God’ with acts of man

There are reports of another murder last night. In Chelmsford, nice leafy estate, a 16 year old boy stabbed by an 18 year old who was swiftly arrested.

That poor child. Those poor families.

Theexwife

In the past we would only know about crimes if they appeared in national newspapers, now we know more via the internet.

We also know of all the hatred because of social media, people used to keep their thoughts and opinions to themselves.

Yes, we know so much detail now about what's going on. I know people who don't listen to the news, just check out the headlines once a day - perhaps this is the way to go for the sake of our own wellbeing. There has always been violent crime. One of my dad's cousins was convicted of manslaughter following a fist fight, my dad used to talk of gangs from different villages meeting up for fights, and he was once threatened by men with knuckle dusters for dating the wrong girl - they lived in a rural area. A girl from my village was strangled by her boyfriend in the early seventies when she told him she was pregnant - her body was found in a local park. And so on, and so forth. Knives seem to be a major factor now, but a murder is still a murder.

As others have said, the trend of violent crime in general is not upwards. As for deaths, the ONS says that the rate of homicide in the population remains relatively low, at 12 homicides per 1 million people. Every single one is a huge tragedy for the family and friends of the victim, but the figures show, thankfully, that our society is relatively safe.

Yes I think about the perpetrators as well, however difficult that may be, I often think it is a miracle that more teenagers dont get into such difficulties considering the information we have about brain development, impulse control, etc.

Urmstongran

That’s 3 families in bits today and one organising a funeral.
Heartbreaking.

Yes Urms I always think that too, obviously the sympathy is with the family of the victim, but I think the family of the perpetrators have too suffered a huge shock, a loss, a tragedy, and one for which they will get little or no sympathy or help. The implications for them are huge too, ostracised, hostility, bullying at school of siblings. Not that this takes away from what has happened to the family of the victim, of course, but as you say 'three families in bits'.

That legislation,Fleurpepper would just bring us into line with most of Europe .Maybe thats the problem the WM clowns dont want anything even good things that would associate them with Europe.
Its a sad day when all an activist is concerned about is what gender is on a death certificate,kind of says it all about these bigots
It will come to the rUK though ,Starmer had a meeting with people from the Trans community last week and said he would upgrade the legislation ,and the tories will need to move with the times eventually too

It's a shame that the death of a child has to be used to bash so-called 'gender critical' feminists, who had nothing to do with the crime. Yes, the victim was a transgirl, but she could just as easily have been a goth or one of a number of groups of people who attract the attention of thugs.

It is tragic that so many young people go out for the evening and never come home, and that others are going to spend many years in jail, for nothing at all. Random or motiveless attacks do seem to be on the increase, but I don't know if they actually are - there used to be fights between mods and rockers, hippies and skinheads or punks and so on. Football violence was equally random and pointless - maybe some young people have some sort of in-built need to be aggressive and to destry what is not like them?

It's horrible, and I don't know what the answer is. If we could stop gangs, and drugs, and tribalism the world would be a happier place, but we have never been free of those things, unfortunately, and it seems unlikely that we ever will be. My heart goes out to the family of Brianna Ghey, and to the people in the hostel, and also to the families of the perpetrators who have lost their children too.