Why oh why is there so much hate

Yes I think about the perpetrators as well, however difficult that may be, I often think it is a miracle that more teenagers dont get into such difficulties considering the information we have about brain development, impulse control, etc.

Theexwife

In the past we would only know about crimes if they appeared in national newspapers, now we know more via the internet.

We also know of all the hatred because of social media, people used to keep their thoughts and opinions to themselves.

Yes, we know so much detail now about what's going on. I know people who don't listen to the news, just check out the headlines once a day - perhaps this is the way to go for the sake of our own wellbeing. There has always been violent crime. One of my dad's cousins was convicted of manslaughter following a fist fight, my dad used to talk of gangs from different villages meeting up for fights, and he was once threatened by men with knuckle dusters for dating the wrong girl - they lived in a rural area. A girl from my village was strangled by her boyfriend in the early seventies when she told him she was pregnant - her body was found in a local park. And so on, and so forth. Knives seem to be a major factor now, but a murder is still a murder.

As others have said, the trend of violent crime in general is not upwards. As for deaths, the ONS says that the rate of homicide in the population remains relatively low, at 12 homicides per 1 million people. Every single one is a huge tragedy for the family and friends of the victim, but the figures show, thankfully, that our society is relatively safe.

That poor child. Those poor families.

There are reports of another murder last night. In Chelmsford, nice leafy estate, a 16 year old boy stabbed by an 18 year old who was swiftly arrested.

But Casdon you can’t compare ‘acts of God’ with acts of man

It’s not all about killings its about hate, the hatred that is so present now, total lack of compassion, I don’t remember that before these last few years

I know of 3 deaths in my city that weren’t in the national news.
Drugs are the cause of a lot of young deaths, and unfortunately the police are loosing the battle on that one.
The ease of being able to buy a gun or knife is totally unrecognisable to years ago.
Then we have the biggest problem: these people have no fear of the law, and why should they.

We don't know why they killed her it might be nothing to do with the fact that she was trans.

Knife crime is on the increase they need to bring back stop and search although I don't think the ones who killed her would have been searched. No deterrents now just a slap on the wrist, perhaps the thought of the death penalty might have saved her, who knows as discussed on another thread.

As for the protests/riots in Liverpool a 15 year old girl was sexually harassed by a 25 year old asylum seeker he didn't think there was anything wrong with this age gap and the fact that she is a child, I don't condone violence but this is not acceptable, in Kent 3 Afghan asylum seekers raped a young girl in their class. Over 350 hotels are being used to house these so called asylum/illegal men it's a powder keg expect more reprisals unless this useless government acts now to stop these boats.

Fleurpepper

Brianna Ghey: a 16-year-old trans girl has been killed in Cheshire but two other teenagers.

And the anti trans brigade find nothing better to do than to insist her death certificate says 'male'.

And the “trans”rights activists use the young person's death to whip up more hatred and spread lies. I've never seen any GC comments about what is or isn't entered on a death certificate.

I think you’ll find that's one of the many facetious arguments used by “trans” men who insist on that self ID is harmless and means they can live (and die) as themselves.

Can you identify why if a girl or woman is harassed or raped by an asylum seeker it is more horrific than them being raped by their father, brother, partner or a stranger Maudi?
Clue - it isn’t, but it is hyped up to fever pitch by the media and the misguided, gullible and racist elements take to the streets. Neo-Nazi groups formed by people who live legally in this country are far more threatening to our society.

The fact we are a much more secular society may have something to do with it.

In days gone by, people would have feared retribution from a vengeful god for killing another human being.

Now, well….

From what I can see generally secular societies have lower rates of violence than religious ones.

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Ita always awful to hear we have lost another young person amd awful to hear people are already using a young person's death to further their own agenda.

I don't know whether crimes like this are going up or down or even changing I just know its desperately sad to see a young life cut short like this

Fleurpepper

BeverleyJB

Fleurpepper

Brianna Ghey: a 16-year-old trans girl has been killed in Cheshire but two other teenagers.

And the anti trans brigade find nothing better to do than to insist her death certificate says 'male'.

And the “trans”rights activists use the young person's death to whip up more hatred and spread lies. I've never seen any GC comments about what is or isn't entered on a death certificate.

I think you’ll find that's one of the many facetious arguments used by “trans” men who insist on that self ID is harmless and means they can live (and die) as themselves.

I don't understand your post. She was murdered because she was trans. And I am not a trans activist, btw.

The police are saying that there is no evidence that this was a hate crime. Do you know something they don’t know yet?

FP the police are saying the opposite, I am not sure we should be saying things that we dont know are true.

Police have said it was a "targeted attack"

We will have to wait to find out why she was targeted

No we shouldn't Galaxy.

Maudi. It is disputed/unreliable rumour that a 15 year old girl was chatted up by an asylum seeker, but even if true, I don't see many riots at building sights when young girls are chatted up by builders, do you? Can you work out the difference?

Fleurpepper

BeverleyJB

Fleurpepper

Brianna Ghey: a 16-year-old trans girl has been killed in Cheshire but two other teenagers.

And the anti trans brigade find nothing better to do than to insist her death certificate says 'male'.

And the “trans”rights activists use the young person's death to whip up more hatred and spread lies. I've never seen any GC comments about what is or isn't entered on a death certificate.

I think you’ll find that's one of the many facetious arguments used by “trans” men who insist on that self ID is harmless and means they can live (and die) as themselves.

I don't understand your post. She was murdered because she was trans. And I am not a trans activist, btw.

FP, can you link us up to where you read that Brianna was murdered because she was trans, please? AS VS says, it is awful that people are already using a young person's death to further their own agenda, and whereas your earlier post shows that this is happening from the side of the trans lobby, like BeverleyJB I have seen nothing at all to suggest that anyone else is commenting on what goes on the death certificate.

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Fleurpepper

The girl was constantly bullied for being trans, over quite a period of time. But for whatever reason, hatred and violence. Saying being trans had nothing to do with it certainly has an agenda.

But whatever the reason, it seems sad that her death certificate, after so much bullying and ending in her death, related or not- will give her male name rather than the one she chose to use, with passion.

Parents are mourning the death of their child and people are complaining about what name will be on the death certificate…

doodledog don't do that please

I have no interest in having any part in a trans debate here

Fleurpepper

The girl was constantly bullied for being trans, over quite a period of time. But for whatever reason, hatred and violence. Saying being trans had nothing to do with it certainly has an agenda.

But whatever the reason, it seems sad that her death certificate, after so much bullying and ending in her death, related or not- will give her male name rather than the one she chose to use, with passion.

Does that mean that there is no evidence that you are aware of that her trans status was in any way responsible for her death?

Or, as you claimed, that the only thing gender critical people were interested in was the sex on her death certificate? That is very different from 'it seems sad', isn't it?

There is absolutely no agenda in asking for the truth to be told, but there is an agenda in making spurious claims about people being more interested in the death certificate than the death - that is a terrible accusation, and I would like to see the evidence if there is any, please.

(VS, you mentioned trans, which is why I picked up on it. I was supporting what you said, which is that it is awful that Some People are using a child's death to push an agenda.)

The Daily Mail phoned her opticians to find out what her male name was. How low can you get.

GG13, her parents knew how deeply important that would have been to her.