Why oh why is there so much hate

As for the protests/riots in Liverpool a 15 year old girl was sexually harassed by a 25 year old asylum seeker he didn't think there was anything wrong with this age gap and the fact that she is a child, I don't condone violence but this is not acceptable,

A 15 year old girl was allegedly harrassed ...

Unfortunately, 15 year old girls get harrassed every day. It was the fact that the man was an asylum seeker which was weaponised by Patriotic Alternative. The police had already dealt with the matter.

This was hatred against a whole group of people.

From reading initial reports about the stabbing in Chelmsford, it's likely that it was drugs related.

The motives are different.

Actually no doodledog

I didn't mention the word at all except in reply to you.

BeverleyJB

Fleurpepper

Brianna Ghey: a 16-year-old trans girl has been killed in Cheshire but two other teenagers.

And the anti trans brigade find nothing better to do than to insist her death certificate says 'male'.

And the “trans”rights activists use the young person's death to whip up more hatred and spread lies. I've never seen any GC comments about what is or isn't entered on a death certificate.

I think you’ll find that's one of the many facetious arguments used by “trans” men who insist on that self ID is harmless and means they can live (and die) as themselves.

Eh? I don't understand the argument. I don't understand your point at all.

Casdon

Can you identify why if a girl or woman is harassed or raped by an asylum seeker it is more horrific than them being raped by their father, brother, partner or a stranger Maudi?
Clue - it isn’t, but it is hyped up to fever pitch by the media and the misguided, gullible and racist elements take to the streets. Neo-Nazi groups formed by people who live legally in this country are far more threatening to our society.

This point needs repeating.

Fleurpepper

The Daily Mail phoned her opticians to find out what her male name was. How low can you get.

GG13, her parents knew how deeply important that would have been to her.

If that's true, it's horrendous!

On a thread about hate, why aren't we addressing the real hate-mongers?

Agrees, I'm so tired of hate mongering

It leads to violence and is why so many platforms ban hate speech due to that link

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

The girl was constantly bullied for being trans, over quite a period of time. But for whatever reason, hatred and violence. Saying being trans had nothing to do with it certainly has an agenda.

But whatever the reason, it seems sad that her death certificate, after so much bullying and ending in her death, related or not- will give her male name rather than the one she chose to use, with passion.

Parents are mourning the death of their child and people are complaining about what name will be on the death certificate…

Oh GG13 spot on!
What does it matter in the big sea? A child’s life has been trashed.
Unbelievably and irrevocably gone.

RIP Brianna.

Agreed, Urmstongran. If it is true that there have been complaints about what goes on the death certificate it is horrible and if not (and there doesn't appear to be any evidence to back up FP's post), it is disgraceful that people are making these allegations. It is disrespectful to the family and it trivialises a tragic death.

The stories around the asylum seeker incident seem to be similarly unsubstantiated, although I may have missed breaking news in either or both cases, in which case it is equally disgraceful that lies are being told there, too.

Oh just have some dignity and leave Fleur alone

Try discussing the topic

I am.

Rude.

I am discussing the fact that there appears to be a hijack of both incidents by those who want to blame people on the other 'side' of something, whether that is the afghans for 'bringing it on themselves' or so-called 'gender critical people for apparently being concerned about a death certificate. If they are not true then they are perfect examples of the 'hate' mentioned in the thread title. If they are true, they are still examples of hate, but from the other 'side'.

How is that undignified, please?

In either event, the important thing is that the waters are not muddied by lies, which might make it easier to come up with ways of stopping this sort of thing from happening again.

I honestly don't know if there is more hate, or its just now out there on social media.and pole feel entitled to share hate. And the worst side of the media now joins in.

I feel many people now lead more stressed lives than they did and this may lead to stronger emotions than say 30 years ago. but if we go back to the social conditions before the welfare state do we live more stressed lives? We expect so much more?

On the other hand matters like abuse and hate crimes are now out in the open and women and minorities especially no longer tolerate what they used to and speak up: that is not a bad thing and they are being taken more seriously. Rape within marriage was not illegal finally until 1991.

I feel many people now lead more stressed lives than they did

I imagine life during WWII was pretty stressful Wyllow.

I watched(and wished I hadnt) a hideous programme about Jimmy Saville yesterday, decades of abuse and harm, targeted at the most vulnerable, I am not sure that things have got worse, but rather that we are now aware of it.

Both incidents do appear to have been hijacked Doodledog and it's particularly upsetting to see this with the tragic death of Brianna.

I think life is always stressful for a lot of people. Not always the same sort of stresses, and not always for the same reasons, but social mores change. As Wyllow says, there is less tolerance of some sorts of violence (eg parents and teachers hitting children and men 'chastising' wives), but there has been an increase in other sorts of violence.

Street crime has always been around, though. From highwaymen and footpads to gangs and football supporters, I don't think there has ever been a time when it was safe to walk the streets in many areas. It's so senseless, and as has been said, a minute's loss of control ruins the lives of so many people forever, but I don't think that's new.

I think what is frightening is that many young people seem to think they need to go out armed with knives, machetes etc, in order to protect themselves now.
How are these weapons so easily available to teenagers?

There are thousands more of these knives out there on our streets despite thousands being confiscated by the police; it seems that every week there is another tragedy.

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no deterrent!

I couldn't agree with you more VioletSky. We'll probably both be accused of being "woke" now.

No not woke, just not a concept I agree with, that goodies and baddies are so easy to define. Unfortunately humans are a lot more complex than that.

I like evolved better

Yes people believing they are more 'evolved' than others has always worked out well.

Not sure what your problem is galaxy but ok

Smileless2012

Both incidents do appear to have been hijacked Doodledog and it's particularly upsetting to see this with the tragic death of Brianna.

Thank you, Smileless.

Yes, Galaxy - the notion that there are groups in society which are more or less 'evolved' is the epitome of prejudice and is ultimately what leads to attacks on people perceived to be at the bottom of the evolutionary pile. Which is, of course, where we came in.