The consecrated oil for King's Coronation

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Dear me, it’s 2023, you’d never think we’d gone through the enlightenment.

I suppose for those who believe in such stuff it can be very meaningful. As a humanist I think it appears superstitious and I don’t believe the king is mandated by god.

Anybody who thinks Charlie is one of "the good thIngs in the UK" needs to give their heads a wobble, the mans is every bit as crooked as the government is ,The only difference is he thinks he's entitled to take bags full of cash , or avoid taxes and expect the "country" to pay tens of millions for a coronation
.Come to think about it the Tory government probably believe they are too.
All tarred with the same brush and millions of people following on blindly taking all the coronation nonense in like soup .

It’s sad when people ridicule the beliefs of others.

Each to their own paddyann.

Humanists don’t give a stuff about ridiculing peoples beliefs, that’s being a humanist ?

Same principle applies to Easter (eggs, bunnies)
Christmas, Birthdays ( trees ,baubles , pressies if you are very good )

Believer or not, unless the rules have changed since 1953 you won't get to see the consecration unless you happen to be directly descended in the male line from somebody who once did a big favour for the monarch of the moment.

What a load of expense Lidl oil never mind Waitrose would have done, whose to know? I thought this was meant to be a progressive Charles not a" Divine right of Kings one".

Humanism is not about ridiculing peoples beliefs Anniebach and GSM..
I said for those who believe in such stuff it can be very meaningful.

I think many are probably humanist in their beliefs but do not label themselves as such.

Humanists trust the scientific method when it comes to understanding how the universe works and reject the idea of the supernatural. We believe this is the only life we have and it is important to place human welfare and happiness at the centre of ethical decision making.

I understand that some find meaning and comfort in supernatural beliefs to help them navigate life. I don’t.

You can be progressive and respectful of tradition Yammy; the two aren't mutually exclusive.

My parents either bought or were given a souvenir hardback book about the coronation in 1953. I recall a photograph of the late queen wearing a plain white dress with a pleated skirt and a caption referring to the anointing. In all the other photographs she was wearing a richly decorated gown. It never occurred to me that she changed from one to the other actually in the abbey, albeit behind a screen.

Genuine question, not intended to cause offence. When my babies were baptised oil wasn't used, nor was it used at my GCs christenings. The cross was made on their foreheads with water from the font - is it different with other Christian religions? We are C of E.

Apparently oil is used to bless an adult or infant before the baptism service AskAlice but like you, I've never come across this in the C of E.

AskAlice

Genuine question, not intended to cause offence. When my babies were baptised oil wasn't used, nor was it used at my GCs christenings. The cross was made on their foreheads with water from the font - is it different with other Christian religions? We are C of E.

I didn't want to ask either.

Our children, GC, GGC were baptised with water.

Prince Philips mother is buried in the Church of St Mary Magdalene on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem. She is buried there in acknowledgement by Israel of her bravery during WW11 towards hiding and helping persecuted Jews at great personal risk. Why is it that anything to do with the Christian faith is by some automatically ridiculed even sneered at, and yet with other faiths such traditions would, and are, taken seriously, respectfully, and reverently? I know about the significance of this holy oil from the last ccoronation and I was only 10. We were taught that sort of thing in School, as well as respect for it. As has been said people then were joyful and welcoming to our new Queen even though Britain was virtually bankrupt and heavily in debt to the US after WW11. Confectionery had only just come off ration (February) and yet no one complained about the cost in fact there was an enormous amount of celebration and optimism. People simply weren't so money oriented and more easily pleased.

Thank you for answering my question. I thought I had maybe mis-remembered what happened.

Water in the font has been blessed.

Anniebach

Water in the font has been blessed.

Indeed. I decided to read to see if I was remembering correctly.

Quote: John 1:32 – when Jesus was baptised, He was baptised in the water and the Spirit, which descended upon Him in the form of a dove. The Holy Spirit and water are required for baptism. Also, Jesus’ baptism was not the Christian baptism He later instituted. Jesus’ baptism was instead a royal anointing of the Son of David (Jesus) conferred by a Levite (John the Baptist) to reveal Christ to Israel, as it was foreshadowed in 1 Kings 1:39 when the Son of David (Solomon) was anointed by the Levitical priest Zadok. See John 1:31; cf. Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:9; Luke 3:21.

John 3:3,5 – Jesus says, “Truly, truly, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” When Jesus said “water and the Spirit,” He was referring to baptism (which requires the use of water, and the work of the Spirit).

King isn't being Baptised, nothing from our Church applies.

Children are always baptised with holy water in the C of E, the anointing with oil of a new monarch is totally different to welcoming a person into the fellowship of the Church. I sometimes wonder why some people have children baptised as they clearly don't believe in or understand anything to do with baptism. Better to let the child decide for itself when they are adults and can make an informed decision.
As for K.C or C being divorced, the Church is much more relaxed about this since 2002, and there is a precedent, George 1st was divorced in 1694, and was crowned King of England in 1714 without any problems.

Farzanah

Humanism is not about ridiculing peoples beliefs Anniebach and GSM..
I said for those who believe in such stuff it can be very meaningful.

I think many are probably humanist in their beliefs but do not label themselves as such.

Humanists trust the scientific method when it comes to understanding how the universe works and reject the idea of the supernatural. We believe this is the only life we have and it is important to place human welfare and happiness at the centre of ethical decision making.

I understand that some find meaning and comfort in supernatural beliefs to help them navigate life. I don’t.

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extract from the church of england,
guidance on using the alternative baptism texts,

Signing with the Cross ↑
The roots of this signing lie in the enrolment of catechumens at the beginning of a period of preparation for baptism, a practice that has been renewed in many parishes. The alternative place for the Signing is immediately after the baptism. When the Signing takes place after the Decision, the minister traces the sign of the cross on the candidate’s forehead; s/he may use olive oil (also called the oil of catechumens). Parents, godparents and sponsors may also be invited to sign the candidate (with the oil, if desired). There is rich biblical symbolism associated with anointing: it is an image of cleansing, blessing, consecration to God’s purpose, and of preparation for athletic contest which is itself an image of ‘running the race’ of the Christian life (see 1 Samuel 16.13; Psalms 23.5; 45.7; 133.2). Many parishes use oil that has been blessed by the Bishop, and this is a reminder that each individual baptism is also an act of the whole Church

www.churchofengland.org/prayer-and-worship/worship-texts-and-resources/common-worship/christian-initiation/holy-baptism

Jaberwock, who was your post intended to to be in answer to?

Jaberwok

Children are always baptised with holy water in the C of E, the anointing with oil of a new monarch is totally different to welcoming a person into the fellowship of the Church. I sometimes wonder why some people have children baptised as they clearly don't believe in or understand anything to do with baptism. Better to let the child decide for itself when they are adults and can make an informed decision.
As for K.C or C being divorced, the Church is much more relaxed about this since 2002, and there is a precedent, George 1st was divorced in 1694, and was crowned King of England in 1714 without any problems.

Oil is used for anointing in many different ceremonies in the C of E.

Yes, they use just holy water for baptism in the C of E but oil is used in RC baptisms.