Virtue Signalling

They don’t have my email address, they just give me a slapped wrist when I try to read an article on online, and deny me access to it, beyond the tantalising first sentences

FannyCornforth

Oh! And another thing! The DM is on the (what I believe to be) right side regarding women’s rights and safe spaces etc

This is true, and disconcerting 😂

Same here but you can subscribe - free of charge!
As long as they know all about you

Doodledog disconcerting and discombobulating!
(Blimey, what a tongue twister)

They do have a majority female readership, unlike any other paper

Callistemon21

Same here but you can subscribe - free of charge!
As long as they know all about you

Ah, okay, I didn’t know that. Thank you

I buy a weekday copy of the Daily Mail regularly to satisfy my addiction to the puzzle pages. I then pass it on to my bestie for lining her cat litter trays. Does that redeem me?

Sarah75

TerriBull

My husband has been picking up the i to read in The club lounge after golf, he thinks it's a pretty good as newspapers go. If I go to Waitrose, certainly not every day, I've got a free nominated
paper on my Waitrose App,which is The Times, but at £2.50 I'm not sure I'd buy it, too expensive! AND YES I read The Mail on line from time to time as I suspect many of its fiercest critics do, as they always seem to now what's going on in it

I thought Waitrose had stopped free newspapers? I’d be interested in knowing more, TerriBull

Sarah they don't give them away at the checkout anymore. When I first downloaded the Waitrose App. they sent through half a dozen weekly special offers of which the consumer could have two. A little while ago, can't remember when exactly, I was also offered a free daily paper of choice, I still get the two discounts but with money off, but with a lesser discount, I'd rather have the paper and there isn't any requirement to spend £10 to get it. I could have it every day, but I get it a couple of times a week and always on Sundays. I can't pretend I spend that much in Waitrose, the bulk of my grocery shopping is done at Sainsburys, but I pick up a few things there in the hope that the free paper continues.

Virtue signalling to me is someone saying 'Look at me! I am being kind!

Examples abound on FB, the my son has said he wants to give some of his toys to poor children, what is the best way for him to do it? well, maybe just take them to a charity shop or email the toy library........but then again you wouldn't get all the what a lovely child you have raised, hun comments.

Oh, and we have a local man who lives mainly on the streets (by choice), is known and looked after by all, but there is always someone who has to announce that they saw him today and bought him a sandwich..... yes we know.

Oh, and what about I have cooked too much food for Sunday lunch, where do the homeless hang out so I can take them a plate of dinner?

Now, that is virtue signalling, seeking out approval

HPQ yes, you’re right.
We just went off on a tangent - including vice signalling and all things Daily Mail

FannyCornforth

Oh! And another thing! The DM is on the (what I believe to be) right side regarding women’s rights and safe spaces etc

I do think you have a point there Fanny, at least two female journalists have left The Guardian finding their positions untenable there, the latest being Hadley Freeman who now writes for The Sunday Times.

I remember over on MN a while a go, there was a thread about The Guardian's stance on always supporting Owen Jones' point of view and they even mentioned, I believe, can't remember the exact details, evenings promoted by that paper showcasing Owen Jones and Frankie Boyle, the general consensus being
A couple of mysogynists

I'm sometimes perplexed by The Mail because at times it does have serious journalists who would be more at home at say The Guardian, pop up and write for them as indeed its produces articles about matters we should know about that don't always get the coverage in papers that would be deemed more heavyweight.

I'll admit to getting on to the Mail on Line, not least of all for the sidebar of shame that seems to give my husband a certain amount of rage and a lot of questions such as "who is this person?" and "what does "posing up a storm mean?" I can only reply "no idea" but only worry if "I start doing what you might imagine that could be" [shock} I feel I've turned to the aforementioned sidebar since the magazines in hairdressers disappeared after Covid. I can't over-estimate enough how much I feel those hours pouring over illuminating literary publications such as OK, Hello, Heat and Closer have impacted on my well being, I've no idea who anyone is now apart from the omnipresent Katie "if the Price is right" I'll be getting another lip/boob/bum implant/engaged next week and Gemma "I'm a diva/incredible weight loss" Collins.

I don’t read the Mail Online at all.
Can you see me waving my flag of virtue? 😇

An acquaintance who (apparently) has the most perfect husband in the world. Who is never the slightest bit annoying, untidy, never forgets anniversaries, expert at all things domestic and DIY, perfect father and grandfather, all fine except that she reels off all of his perfect virtues if anyone even has the slightest lighthearted moan about the men in their life. And gives a little shudder at the same time.

FannyCornforth

I don’t read the Mail Online at all.
Can you see me waving my flag of virtue? 😇

I don’t need to read the DM. I get to hear everything GNs don’t like about what’s in it on GN.
I even stopped reading the free copy (VS) in McDonalds
(😱not VS) when I call in for breakfast after early Gym sessions. (VS)

FannyCornforth

Yes Callistemon I’m always being reprimanded by The Guardian.
And The Telegraph has cancelled me altogether!

same here, but The Guardian gently reminds me that I have read xxx number of articles in the past year......in such a polite, non judgemental way.....

I dip in and out of online newspapers, the DM has some good information if you can be bothered to sift through the spittle flecked bile articles and tantalising bikini shots of people you have never heard of. The online Independent is, I think cutting back on costs by getting rid of grammar and spelling checks and having most of their articles written by keen 5th formers..

I think the problem (if that's the right word) with the trans/women's rights issue and newspapers is that support for women's rights is not a left/right split. It crosses those lines in ways that political allegiance doesn't. I think that very often there is confusion over what is left and right, anyway. It is much more about large state/small state than about things like freedoms or tolerance of difference. There can easily be dictators and libertarians on both wings, and there are plenty of misogynistic people of both sexes on both left and right, too.

I think those of us who choose what we read from an eclectic mix of newspapers could be regarded as having "judgement" and being well-balanced 😂

I’ve been a guardian reader for many years. I no longer buy it and only occasionally read on live. Owen Jones along with its ‘ ‘ anti terf ‘ line really cheesed me off.
Jones is a loathsome little smug leftie. The loss of Suzanne Moor and Hadley Freeman ended my previous loyalty and enjoyment of the paper.

What's anti terf please? I thought you were a bit of a leftie Iam64 or am I wrong? Owen Jones can come across as a bit of a know all but why do you call him loathsome?

If you only read things that you agree with you’re living in an echo chamber and you don’t find out what the enemy are up to.

Eloethan yes I agree to being a bit of a leftie. Terf - trans excluding radical feminist. That will be many 70’s feminists who like jk Rowling, Suzanne Moore, Hadley Freeman and Sarah vine (daily Mail) all express concern about the erosion of women only spaces, like the refuges many of us fought for. I’m not anti trans and resent being called derogatory names, like terf
Jones is angry with women who talk about safe spaces. He’s a Corbineester who loathes Starmer and disputes the findings about anti semitism.

My 4 year old grandson has read more than I have

Iam64 I can't get that worked up about the trans debate but one of my very good friends becomes apoplectic about the issue. I don't feel as strongly as her and I feel that she is over-reacting - but that wouldn't make me call her loathsome. I am a supporter of Corbyn and I'm not terribly keen on Starmer - does that make me loathsome?

Something similar seems to be happening in regard to Fiona Bruce in relation to a comment she made on Any Questions.. My view is that she has chaired the programme very well and held panel members to account, particularly those representing our current government. Yasmin Alhibai-Brown wrote in the I today that Bruce, under the rules, had to counter her (AB's) comment that Stanley Johnson was a wife beater. To my knowledge, he has not been convicted for this and it was incumbent on Bruce to clarify that this account - and the statement that it had happened only once -came from SJ's friends. A-B regrets that Bruce has suddenly become a serious hate figure and is being subjected to a deluge of vicious comments.

There are some commentators and politicians that I do find pretty horrible but not just when I disagree with them - but when I believe they are corrupt, selfish and quite happy to use controversial topics to increase their popularity, even if it means stirring up hatred.

Eloethan I quote from an article in The Guardian

In the case of Stanley, his ex-wife, the late artist Charlotte Wahl, kept his abuse secret until four years ago when she told Boris’s biographer, Tom Bower, that their marriage had been “ghastly, terrible”. “I want the truth told,” she said about Stanley’s violence, which was witnessed by Boris. “He hit me many times, over many years.” Early on he resented her seeing her friends “and that’s when he first hit me”. Later, she was deposited in the country, without a car. “To adultery and violence, his family could add deserter.”

The fact someone has not been charged and investigated over crimes of domestic violence, does not mean that the crime did not happen and the quote above rather suggests that the public knowledge of his crimes extends beyond one occasion when he broke her nose.

Eloethan

What's anti terf please? I thought you were a bit of a leftie Iam64 or am I wrong? Owen Jones can come across as a bit of a know all but why do you call him loathsome?

Just because someone is of one particular political persuasion doesn’t mean that you have to like all others of the same political bent!
That type of polarised thinking drives me mad.

And Owen Jones is awful

Sorry for this digression from the OP but, Terribull, all Waitrose personal discounts have been reduced recently, but only a lucky few are offered a free newspaper. No explanation is forthcoming.