The SNP is in a ‘tremendous mess’ apparently.

Ah, time for the pro-Nazi story.

God, this is funny. 🤣🤣🤣

Political party grows to previously unimagined strength and that's a bad thing, apparently. 🤣🤣🤣

I never said it was a bad thing. Stop twisting posts.

However, it was hardly heard of south of the border years ago, believe it or not.
It has become very noisy indeed in recent years, though, so no-one could fail to hear about it.

Nice to see you back too Volver3, your very forthright opinions are always welcome. I do wonder how we can reconcile "we nearly won (within 5%)" and the awful Brexit vote (IMHO) which was won by a tiny majority and created a very divided Britain. A simple majority is not enough for such a major change in my opinion. I am only a half and half English/Scottish person so have a foot in both camps. All I long for is a decent and fair government and peace for all of us. Robust debate is good to have though, but I dislike actual divide on such a small island as ours.

I've been amazed at the amount of coverage given to all the meetings, conferences relating to election of a new SNP leader. Only members of SNP can vote so why has the whole country been subjected to the diatribe. At least according to the media that is, SNP is discovering that the majority of voters do not want independence but will the new leader acknowledge this, doubt it. The party should be renamed the Scottish Independence Party as that's all they go on about. Standards of health, education, police (1000 officers lost last year), local authority services all gone downhill and that's before Covid. OK if you are young, receive benefits and have children, money thrown at you. I really feel for the working families who have just over the wage limit for any assistance, they must really be struggling.

I have family in England who seriously considered moving to Scotland and voting for independence in the dark days of Boris Johnson.

Wonder how many Scots are among those commenting, I think Nicola has done a lot of good work in her time, she has stood up for Scotland no matter how patronising whoever has been PM has been. Not everyone's cup of tea but the media have usually had it in for her

4allweknow

I've been amazed at the amount of coverage given to all the meetings, conferences relating to election of a new SNP leader. Only members of SNP can vote so why has the whole country been subjected to the diatribe. At least according to the media that is, SNP is discovering that the majority of voters do not want independence but will the new leader acknowledge this, doubt it. The party should be renamed the Scottish Independence Party as that's all they go on about. Standards of health, education, police (1000 officers lost last year), local authority services all gone downhill and that's before Covid. OK if you are young, receive benefits and have children, money thrown at you. I really feel for the working families who have just over the wage limit for any assistance, they must really be struggling.

At least according to the media that is, SNP is discovering that the majority of voters do not want independence

You really shouldn't believe everything you read in the (Unionist) media. I think where you've got this wrong is that every body, SNP included, has always known that the majority of Scottish voters don't want independence (yet).

Good point about them being known as the Scottish Independence Party though, given that Independence is their stated aim. You'll be asking the Greens to stop going on about the Environment next. .

BTW, I'm not young, receive no benefits and have no children, and I'm quite OK. Got any other pearls of wisdom to impart? Also, you need to look up the meaning of "diatribe" and how it can be used.

Only members of SNP can vote so why has the whole country been subjected to the diatribe.

Only members of the Tory Party could vote for the last two Prime Ministers of the UK - that didn't stop 24/7 coverage.

BTW, did you know that overseas members, some of whom aren't even British citizens, also had the right to vote!

How's that for sovereignty?

There is a great deal more behind all this, and feel sure it will all come out in time, very soon I understand.

I know that some of you will be thinking, its been so peaceful lately, now she's back we can't say anything 😟.

Well, opining that there is something going on that we don't know about, implying that there is a big secret that none of us know about, pretending it will all come out soon....

That's just making things up and casting aspersions. No wonder the woman resigned, she'll have had enough. Don't blame her.

Wish we had an ignore button, is all.

Oh dear nanna8, are you not interested in what I have to say?

What a shame.

nanna8

Wish we had an ignore button, is all.

Actually we do in a way. It consists of just not reading threads which don't interest you.

I'll put my tuppence-worth in. I am sure we will become independent sooner or later. At the moment it seems to be later rather than sooner, but as has been said, not every independence supporter is an SNP member or supporter. the independence movement is bigger and wider than that.

Judging by some of the comments above, and indeed the ones we get every time the subject comes up, I don't know why, as some of you seem to hate us so much, you want to keep us in the Union!

volver I did read your list. I remain unimpressed.

Aveline

volver I did read your list. I remain unimpressed.

Fair enough. I obviously can't meet your high standards.

But I did give you a list, however I suppose we should be used to Unionists pretending they haven't been given information and that they don't know things even though they have been told many, many times.

I think Nicola and her husband are bunkered down weathering the storm outside as the three contestants for her succession continue to slug it out with a viciousness unusual even among party leadership contests. Although I suspect that most of those entitled to vote have already done so and nobody is listening much except for the vultures waiting for corpses to pick over and already licking their lips. A lot of them are very keen for the SNP to fail so that they can have a real banquet.

But the SNP is not about to fail. It's in a transition, and activity is only just beginning to recover after Covid, but the sense among many Scots is still that the English-dominated Westminster doesn't understand them and their different ways of doing things and assumes that what's good for England ought to be good for everybody, and whatever one actually thinks of the people involved, the SNP is the only significant voice speaking from a purely Scottish perspective (Alba is a damp squib).

Whoever wins is going to have a hard time keeping up the standard of Nicola's leadership and I'm not sure any of the three has what it takes. For the record, as an SNP member I voted Humza first and Kate the god-botherer and Ash the transphobe not at all. I did so want to have another woman leader and at one time Kate impressed me greatly but she's done herself no good at all lately.

Volver- sorry I went out shopping and didn't breathlessly read your every post in that time! Blimey. You're back with a vengeance (literally!)

I'm glad you have commented LHD, you have a very balanced and informed view on the subject.

Aveline

*Volver*- sorry I went out shopping and didn't breathlessly read your every post in that time! Blimey. You're back with a vengeance (literally!)

Grrr!!!!

😜

volver3

I'm glad you have commented LHD, you have a very balanced and informed view on the subject.

Translation - you agree with me! 😜

Aveline

volver3

I'm glad you have commented LHD, you have a very balanced and informed view on the subject.

Translation - you agree with me! 😜

Agreed....

And you're not stamping your feet, trying to diss your fellow Scots and making up stories about people you don't know...

volver3

I know that some of you will be thinking, its been so peaceful lately, now she's back we can't say anything 😟.

Well, opining that there is something going on that we don't know about, implying that there is a big secret that none of us know about, pretending it will all come out soon....

That's just making things up and casting aspersions. No wonder the woman resigned, she'll have had enough. Don't blame her.

‘Now she’s back we can’t say anything’ 😄 an over inflated ego there alright.
I can see how events in Scotland with the SNP have depressed those who thought Sturgeon was the best thing since sliced bread and who now see independence receding.
For those who want to stay in our union it’s a great thing.We’re a small island and better together.

‘Now she’s back we can’t say anything’ 😄 an over inflated ego there alright.

Just before I left (last time ) I was told that there were people who didn't post because I'm here and I scared them off. Time to gird your loins and make a stand folks....

Better together. Aye, right. Is that you, Mr Brown?

You should not assume that SNP membership has declined because people do not agree with their policies. We have been going through a severe financial crisis which was certainly not brought on by policies hatched in Scotland so like us other people may well have had to trim their outgoings.
I am very sad to see Nicola go - she has been an exemplary leader for our country. Contrast her daily pandemic briefings with the lying, slandering, partying, pandering shower who are purportedly gov erning us against our wills up here.
We are a different nation and should be allowed to show ourselves as that.

I think it’s more than the money for SNP membership, and since you’ve had devolved powers for a long time now it will be brought in by policies in Scotland.