The SNP is in a ‘tremendous mess’ apparently.

Aveline

volver3

I'm glad you have commented LHD, you have a very balanced and informed view on the subject.

Translation - you agree with me! 😜

That and Volver recognises that I have insider information.

Nicola isn't going away. She'll still be more than a backbench MSP, with a role in steering the party.

Welcome back volver3. I knew when you left again it wasn’t the end. You obviously haven’t changed your posting style and, if I was a bookie, I’d open a book on how long before the first complaint/deleted post or even removal of whole thread.

Place your bets!!

I hope not tickingbird. Volver? is an asset to these forums.

LadyHonoriaDedlock

I hope not tickingbird. Volver? is an asset to these forums.

Translation: 'Phew, at least Volver agrees with me!

LadyHonoriaDedlock

I think Nicola and her husband are bunkered down weathering the storm outside as the three contestants for her succession continue to slug it out with a viciousness unusual even among party leadership contests. Although I suspect that most of those entitled to vote have already done so and nobody is listening much except for the vultures waiting for corpses to pick over and already licking their lips. A lot of them are very keen for the SNP to fail so that they can have a real banquet.

But the SNP is not about to fail. It's in a transition, and activity is only just beginning to recover after Covid, but the sense among many Scots is still that the English-dominated Westminster doesn't understand them and their different ways of doing things and assumes that what's good for England ought to be good for everybody, and whatever one actually thinks of the people involved, the SNP is the only significant voice speaking from a purely Scottish perspective (Alba is a damp squib).

Whoever wins is going to have a hard time keeping up the standard of Nicola's leadership and I'm not sure any of the three has what it takes. For the record, as an SNP member I voted Humza first and Kate the god-botherer and Ash the transphobe not at all. I did so want to have another woman leader and at one time Kate impressed me greatly but she's done herself no good at all lately.

I have voted exactly as you have. Normally, all things being equal I would have favoured a female candidate, but the 2 female candidates in this contest have done nothing except decry the other candidates and the party in general, and thereby providing the Unionist MSM with anti SNP and Independence rhetoric, to the extent that one could easily believe that a malign force is pulling their strings.

The whole debacle has left me, an Indie and SNP supporter and activist for over 50 years, distressed and heartbroken

😂

My emoji was for Aveline btw

The SNP is having a change of Driver, the Destination is still the same. Two Drivers in just over a decade...not too bad, unlike some political Party we could mention. How many has that been in five years? OOOO, and talking about parties...

Oh very good Maremia more whataboutery, very popular with SNP apologists with red faces these days.
What is overlooked is that what we need is for Scotland and the rest of the UK to actually work together for the benefit of the people not just individual party ideology.

i know that some of you will be thinking, it’s been so peaceful lately, now she’s back we can’t say anything

I think you have an over inflated sense of your importance.

MerylStreep

^i know that some of you will be thinking, it’s been so peaceful lately, now she’s back we can’t say anything^

I think you have an over inflated sense of your importance.

I think you have missed my original response to a similar challenge by another poster, at 14:23.

Of course it could all have been made up by people trying to get me to shut up, but that couldn't possibly happen on GN, could it?

I don’t want you to shut up volver3 but as long as you’re here I won’t be.

QED.

Its so nice to be popular.

In all seriousness, and this is not directed at you IrishDancing; if other posters can't respond to factual argument, there's nothing I can do to help you with that. I don't have a lot of time for the "it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it" approach, if the opinion is based on prejudice and misinformation.

The lying, slandering, partying, pandering shower are governing against the will of most of us living south of the border too!

Volver one man's factual evidence is another man's 'prejudice'. 'Misinformation' can cut both ways too.
My personal opinion is obviously biased by my personal experience of life in Scotland under SNP so that's factual to me.

Aveline

Volver one man's factual evidence is another man's 'prejudice'. 'Misinformation' can cut both ways too.
My personal opinion is obviously biased by my personal experience of life in Scotland under SNP so that's factual to me.

No, that's not right.

There is objective truth. There is always objective truth.

You and I may choose to interpret facts differently, but they are still facts.

Sturgeon has resigned. That is a fact. One person may think that means she has done something illegal and her husband is a liar, another may just think she has resigned.

Bit surprised that you don't know the difference between fact and opinion, honestly...

I do know the difference as you know. The many objective truths about SNPs dire record in government are clear for all to see as I know you also know. I'm just glad that they are being exposed to more objective scrutiny right now. Goodness knows what will happen next re the potential new FM and the Murrells.

I do know the difference as you know.

My personal opinion is obviously biased ... so that's factual to me.

The two statements don't really add up, sorry...

Wheniwasyourage

nanna8

Wish we had an ignore button, is all.

Actually we do in a way. It consists of just not reading threads which don't interest you.

I'll put my tuppence-worth in. I am sure we will become independent sooner or later. At the moment it seems to be later rather than sooner, but as has been said, not every independence supporter is an SNP member or supporter. the independence movement is bigger and wider than that.

Judging by some of the comments above, and indeed the ones we get every time the subject comes up, I don't know why, as some of you seem to hate us so much, you want to keep us in the Union!

Actually we do in a way. It consists of just not reading threads which don't interest you.

I'm assuming that nana8 didn't mean whole threads, which we can hide if we wish.

I don't know why, as some of you seem to hate us so much, you want to keep us in the Union!

Who said we hated all of you??
As the old saying goes, many of my friends are Scottish.
😁

I can't be anti-Scottish, I know lots of Scottish people.

Whoever wins is going to have a hard time keeping up the standard of Nicola's leadership and I'm not sure any of the three has what it takes.

LHD
I'll agree with you there, as I posted earlier, like her or not, Ms Sturgeon was a strong, decisive leader.
She'll be a hard act to follow.

It will be interesting.

LHD wrote For the record, as an SNP member I voted Humza first and Kate the god-botherer and Ash the transphobe not at all.

Why is Kate Forbes a ‘god-botherer’ while Humza Yousaf, a Muslim, not a god-botherer?

Oh, I must go and start dinner, but in the interim...

Forbes made a point of telling us her religious beliefs. She didn't have to, but its clearly very important to her. She has become Wee Free later in life, its not something she grew up believing. Fair enough. In doing so she exposed herself to criticism that her beliefs would impinge on her running of any government in Scotland. She is quite entitled to have those beliefs, but I don't want someone with those beliefs dragging Scotland back to the 1950s.

She is very honest that she thinks we are all sinners and will go to hell. That's no way to run a country.

SueDonim

LHD wrote For the record, as an SNP member I voted Humza first and Kate the god-botherer and Ash the transphobe not at all.

Why is Kate Forbes a ‘god-botherer’ while Humza Yousaf, a Muslim, not a god-botherer?

When I say "god-botherer" I don't mean a Christian, I mean somebody (most often a Christian within my experience) who would impose their religion on others.

Humza is indeed a practicing Muslim but he doesn't allow his religion to override his duty to those he represents. While he was absent on ministerial business from the final vote for the bill that brought equal marriage to Scotland, although he voted for it consistently in its early stages. He also voted for the GR reform bill. I haven't heard that he's called for the banning of alcohol throughout Scotland.

Talking about 'misinformation', does anyone know what time the Johnson show is on tomorrow?
Whoever gets the SNP Leadership gig, they can be replaced, if it doesn't work out. Nicola S is a hard act to follow, but if anyone thinks we should give up and stick with the clowns running Westminster these days, tune in tomorrow, and see why we are heading off.