Soup throwing again

Yes Galaxy and of all those children who were considered old enough to make life changing decisions (Like SB in a different context) many of them are faced with blighted futures.

I’ve seen two people interviewed on the television news over the last year. Both of them had surgery at a fairly young age. Both of them totally regret what happened to them and said that they were given drugs to suppress puberty at a very young age after very little exploration by the medics, and both went on to have life changing surgery. They both now say that insufficient attention was given to their mental health issues which were actually the real problem. They are now in their twenties and have attempted to transition back, but of course it’s difficult to do that if there’s been surgery. They are trying to live the best lives they can but their lives have been blighted according to them. They are very brave to speak out in my opinion. One of them was treated at the now discredited Tavistock Clinic. I can’t remember if the other was treated there.

The failure of the Tavistock clinic, its closure and the lack of provision for children suffering from gender dysphoria is nothing to celebrate or indeed to regard as a positive. The clinic had about 7000 children on its waiting list. The proposed regional clinics will not open this spring and may not open in June.
The Tavistock failed to deal with a huge increase in children presenting with gender problems for many reasons. But it helped some children. There is nothing to replace it so all children with gender dysphoria are now being failed.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64683917

They have been failed comprehensively in most countries as those working in the field are now saying. Nobody is celebrating. We have no real idea whether it helped children or not as there was failure with follow up and data collection. Not just in the tavistock. They are not unique.

For some truth and facts can I recommend " Time to Think" by Hannah Barnes, the inside story of the collapse of the Tavistocks gender service for children...

No there's nothing to celebrate about a clinic that was set up to help children with gender dysphoria having to be closed because long term and in some cases irreparable damage was done to some it was supposed to be helping.

I have just started it Birdie.

Let's be thankful those 7000 children on the waiting list were never seen, Glorianny

I admit I don't know much about the Tavistock; nothing at all really.

But I can't be "thankful" that 7000 children who need help now won't get it.

As no one appears to know what kind of help would be helpful perhaps that might be a starting point instead of blindly ploughing onwards. Might be useful to identify what support works before 'helping'.

Yet more TRA violence.
Billboard Chris is a father of two girls and travels across North America wearing a billboard to expose gender ideology and why children cannot consent to medical transition. I’ve seen quite a few of his interviews, he’s willing to talk to anyone about why he’s doing what he’s doing. He’s always very calm and polite.
What makes the violence perpetrated here so shocking is the amount of police officers who are actually surrounding them who only intervene when Chris is actually physically attacked and reacts by pushing his assailant away.
Just before the person with the blond hair attacks him, the interviewer asks Chris “how do you keep your composure?” The blond haired person has been constantly screaming obscenities in Chris’s face whilst he’s being interviewed and is clearly enraged by being ignored.

twitter.com/billboardchris/status/1642024373484912642?s=61&t=qph6ruaz5B5GPjDn7jnZBw

One of the officers is then asked about the incident. She openly lies and says it’s Chris’s own fault as he was shouting at the TRAs and provoking them. The camera man challenges her (admittedly not very politely) and she cuts him off and walks away.

twitter.com/hjoycegender/status/1642125124462575616?s=61&t=qph6ruaz5B5GPjDn7jnZBw

There are photos of officers standing watching the assault, they are openly laughing.

twitter.com/gcoombe89/status/1642130287579545601?s=61&t=qph6ruaz5B5GPjDn7jnZBw

The article below is titled “Top Trans Doctors Blow The Whistle On “Sloppy” Care.

open.substack.com/pub/bariweiss/p/top-trans-doctors-blow-the-whistle?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Maybe be hopeful volver that when they do get help, it's the right kind.

I wonder what makes them think that behaving in such a way furthers their cause grannydarkhair? You have to admire Billboard Chris for his courage and composure.

Doesn't the figure of 7000 children with gender dysphoria ring alarm bells volver?
That's a hell of a lot, that's not counting the numbers that have passed through the Tavistock, maybe a copy of the book might enlighten you .

If one clinic failed children and the investigation recommended the setting up of two local clinics to deal with children, how on earth can it be OK that there will soon be no provision for them? The Tavistock may have failed some children, no provision fails them all.
If you are a parent or grandparent with a child who needs help you must be in despair.

There's no "may" about it, Tavistock did fail some children. Of course there needs to be provision but that needs to be properly monitored and controlled and Tavistock clearly
wasn't.

Really difficult to comment on the success rates in any way because of the data issues. It's what provision should be offered that no one appears to be able to answer because there hasnt been follow up, not just at the tavistock. I am guessing any treatment will be based on the Cass Report, and the issue about numbers and demographics is one that needs looking at. So why was/is there a high prevalence of children with autism for example. Yes parents must be in despair that treatment was offered with scant or no evidence as to why it was being offered.

Bridie22

Doesn't the figure of 7000 children with gender dysphoria ring alarm bells volver?
That's a hell of a lot, that's not counting the numbers that have passed through the Tavistock, maybe a copy of the book might enlighten you .

Its not "a hell of a lot". It's one in 2000 who want help. I'm not commenting on the treatment they might have had.

But saying we should be grateful that they had no treatment at all is not nice.

This assumption that there will be no provision?
Reducing 7000 to 1 in 2000 is the best I’ve heard from you V3. How lucky for each of those 7000 to know that for each of them there are 1,999 children without their problems. I’m sure they and their parents will be reassured.

10 years ago there were 250 referrals so yes comparatively it is a hell of a lot. Thats why the NHS was asked to review the increase in numbers particularly the changing demographics, two thirds of them are girls which is also very different to what was happening previously.

Has anyone said that?

sorry that question was to volver.

Mollygo

This assumption that there will be no provision?
Reducing 7000 to 1 in 2000 is the best I’ve heard from you V3. How lucky for each of those 7000 to know that for each of them there are 1,999 children without their problems. I’m sure they and their parents will be reassured.

It literally says on this thread that there is nowhere else they can be seen.

There are 14 million children in this country, 7000 of them have issues. Sorry if you get angry about arithmetic, but there's not much I can do about that.

Smileless2012

Has anyone said that?

Bridie22 Sat 01-Apr-23 12:59:08
Let's be thankful those 7000 children on the waiting list were never seen, Glorianny

I don't think it is always apparent to posters how their posts come across.

I am not sure that I am angry about arithmetic, I know that the NHS requested research into the numbers because they were so concerned, along with the change in demographic from who was seeking help, if I remember rightly it was a 5 thousand percent increase in 5 - 10 years amongst girls.