Would my grandson's uni tell employer he was expelled

He does not have a criminal record
His employer is a large fund manager so he would not be working with vulnerable people, classified information etc. like he would in the police, school etc.

BlueBelle

Blondicot from what has been coming to light recently the police seem the least likely to do stringent tests The amount of actual villains who are working for the police is incredulous

I can only speak from personal experience, and that involves Police Scotland. I can assure you that not only was my family member's background very stringently checked out (going back many years), but so were we and his wife's family members too. I was actually very surprised by how exhaustive the checks were. I have no idea whether police forces in the rest of the UK carry out such a thorough investigation into their prospective recruits.

Blondicot from what has been coming to light recently the police seem the least likely to do stringent tests The amount of actual villains who are working for the police is incredulous

Some potential employers have very stringent vetting procedures, which would almost certainly uncover your Grandson's full educational history, including the expulsion details. Even if the employer isn't in this category I would urge that your Grandson gives full disclosure, as these things have a nasty habit of creeping out of the woodwork at a later date, at which time the attempt to cover it up could not just mean summary dismissal, but could even lead to legal action. It really is a no-brainer..

OK he messed upfirst time round, but the second time round he did everything he should and came out with a good degree.

Young people, I assume he was between 18-21, are renowned for doing really stupid things that they later regret. Better to tell the truth and say that he had learnt his lesson, as his attendance and behaviour at Uni 2 shows. I am sure an employer will see the first problem and the second success as the sign of smeone who is capable of learning from his mistakes and will be a good employee.

Germanshepherdsmum

He shouldn’t try to cover up the fact that he has attended two universities. He will be asked why he left the first. You refer to ‘his employer’ - has he already got a job but not made full disclosure of his academic record? Trust is quickly lost if someone is found to have lied, and as I said upthread this must have been a serious business. You’re not sent down for having been found smoking some weed in your room.

I agree. We often read of cases where people have lied or exaggerated their qualifications or concealed convictions. As they say, the truth will out!!

He shouldn’t try to cover up the fact that he has attended two universities. He will be asked why he left the first. You refer to ‘his employer’ - has he already got a job but not made full disclosure of his academic record? Trust is quickly lost if someone is found to have lied, and as I said upthread this must have been a serious business. You’re not sent down for having been found smoking some weed in your room.

How long ago did all this happen, worriedgran?

worriedgrandma

My grandson stupidly got expelled for nonacademic misconduct from uni 1 ...drugs were involved

Then he entered uni 2 and graduated

Now his employer wants to verify his educational history ...
he would not use uni 1's academic reference for obvious reasons as his tutor knows what happened
instead he would use student services/HEDD to verify his attendance

would student services/HEDD tell his employer about the expulsion or would they just say he attended from x to y and got z qualification and no more?

I'd think he should give his employer correct information as to where he attended, when and let the employer have a go. It's never wise, imo, to attempt to hide stupidity - it will surface, and finding a lie is worse.

Was he prosecuted? If not, there is unlikely to be a record of the specifics. Under GDPR universities don’t keep more than basic records (basically results). If the police were involved they may have a record, but probably not unless there was a charge.

As you say, there is no need to involve the tutor, who might not even be there now. There is probably no need to involve the first university at all unless specifically asked to - never trouble trouble and all that. If the employer has specifically requested verification of your grandson’s time at both universities you could ask the admin people in the relevant faculty for a confirmation of attendance. In your circumstances, there would be no harm in speaking to someone and explaining - they can probably organise a letter stating the bare facts - Mr X attended Hometown University from A to B and left to continue his studies at the University of Elsewhere, sort of thing.

Agreed Blondiescot. And whoever the prospective employer is, your grandson shouldn’t lie or try to mislead - these things have a habit of coming out. If he was sent down from university I imagine the misbehaviour was pretty serious.

It may depend on who the prospective employer is. For example, if he was applying to the police or any of the forces, their background checks are extremely stringent and I'd be surprised if something like that didn't come up. Similarly if he wanted to do something which involved having to have a Disclosure or PVG certificate.

Having worked in the university system in the 90s and 00s I would be very surprised if there was intercommunication of this kind between different universities. Surely your grandson can get references from his professor or personal tutor at uni 2 since he completed his degree there. Also if he did any part time work while he was at uni 2 an employer reference would be good.

An aquaintance of mine went to uni as a mature student and had a (short) prison record in her past. Of course its easy for a woman to cover a gap in her CV by saying she had "caring" duties. In fact no employer was ever interested in anything she had done before getting her degree. She had good references from her tutors and from part time employment she had done while a student.

Dont tell people more than they need to know.