What is a lesbian?

Oh dear look at those typos. I must have been very irritated by all that made up stuff.

Actually I have read the article and the person who seemed to find the presence of a transwoman offensive was the organiser.

Glorianny did you not read this sentence from the article?

It follows outrage from attendees at the popular weekly £15-a-head event, held in Bloomsbury in London, after trans women tried to join. Seems it wasn't just the organiser who objected.

Of course the organiser has a right to say which characteristics attendees should have. You don't organise a children's party and have to allow in teenagers, or a xylophone recital and expect trombonists.

And this organiser has run such events there before, and knows what works for her regulars.

Doodledog

Of course the organiser has a right to say which characteristics attendees should have. You don't organise a children's party and have to allow in teenagers, or a xylophone recital and expect trombonists.

And this organiser has run such events there before, and knows what works for her regulars.

... or a xylophone recital and expect trombonists.

🤣🤣

I know this is completely irrelevant, but that really tickled me... I'm just trying to imagine a "xylophone recital"...

I'm sure you can easily imagine how easily it would be wrecked by the presence of a bass trombone, though?

Great post @ 16.45 Doodledog, made me laugh too and yes, a trombone would definitely have drowned out a xylophone recital in the same way that this particular case appears to have drowned out the rights of lesbians.

Love the references to musicians.

Such misrepresentation is horrific Glorianny. It wasn’t just the organiser who objected.
I wonder whether you, Glorianny ever organised children’s parties for your children, (if you have any) and didn’t mind if lots of uninvited children, who your children didn’t like or objected to, turned up and expected to be catered for.

Once again you seem to take all responsibility for behaving honestly away from males (possibly because you know some TW are incapable of being honest- I’d agree with you on that) and once again you seek to deny female rights to anything specifically designated for females.

Honestly when people start comparing private children's parties with public speed dating events you come to realise how desperate they are.
Yes I did organise children' parties, I also organised public events and have the brains to know the difference.
As I said if she wanted to prevent transwomen accessing the event all the organiser had to do was to produce evidence that the attendees would not attend if transwomen were present. She did no such thing. If you fail to understand the dangers in permitting individuals to decide who should be able to access public events, based on their own, or a small group's prejudices that is unfortunate.Regardless of the reason, discrimination remains just that. The law protects female spaces when the users need or request that protection, not on the basis of any individual's or small group's prejudices. The law would have protected this space had the organiser chosen to follow a legally acceptable route. As it is no one has any idea about how many of the attendees were offended, or how many were not. Sadly failure to act in a legally acceptable way has brought repercussions which have damaged all the attendees.

Are we all making assumptions about Gloranny's sex and orientation.

And another total misrepresentation.

Honestly when people have to start rewriting the narrative to make it fit with their own prejudices you come to realise how draper they are.

desperate

Though draper would fit just as well with the kind of nonsensical post it was referring to.

Not desperate at all ^Lathyrus* just astounded that anyone's pre-conceived ideas can make them unable to see or recognise the wider implications of any matter. Although perhaps I should have realised by now that expecting logical thought or analysis on GN about trans issues is an impossibility.

M0nica

Are we all making assumptions about Gloranny's sex and orientation.

One of the great things about GN is that you can have no real idea of either of those, and indeed why should it matter?

Glorianny, some folk on GN have a permanent 'bee in their bonnet' - for some reason I can't fathom. As I said on the other post, I simply don't care what gender or sex somebody is - why should I?

Hetty58

Glorianny, some folk on GN have a permanent 'bee in their bonnet' - for some reason I can't fathom. As I said on the other post, I simply don't care what gender or sex somebody is - why should I?

Some folk on GN are just prejudiced, narrow minded people Hetty58 who like to hide their prejudice behind a smokescreen of pseudo-feminism. I don't care about anyone's gender and I know few people whose sex I have ever had proof of. The squirming and self righteous posts sometimes amuse me, and are always completely illogical.

I referred to children’s parties out of desperation as you said Glorianny. As you don’t seem to have the brains to understand that females have rights which do not need to include transwomen, ( who are not women any more than hot dog are dogs or seahorses).
I notice that you can’t say how you would deal with uninvited children that your own children did not like. Obviously too complex.
The person organising the event invites the people they want to attend.
To put it simply, if you’re not invited, it’s wrong to turn up, especially on the basis of a lie that you’re perpetrating.

You still, as you always do absolve all responsibility from dishonest males to respect female wishes, once again putting male rights first.
I do wonder why.
Possibly this ?

M0nica
Are we all making assumptions about Gloranny's sex and orientation.

There is no reason why you should care, Hetty, any more than there is no reason why someone should compel you to disclose personal details of your private life in a work situation.

Also, you might care which sex someone is if you were going to s speed-dating event, and if you don't, you might understand that many, if not most people would prefer to know the sex of people they are likely to be meeting in a potentially intimate situation.

Glorianny

Actually I have read the article and the person who seemed to find the presence of a transwoman offensive was the organiser. There were no comments or views from those attending. She then resorted to what I would regard as a patriarchal method of dealing with this,by banning everyone apart from what she described as "adult female bodied people".
Now she would be legally entitled to do this had she bothered to ask those attending if they were unhappy with the presence of transwomen and if they would prefer to be single sex. She appears not to have done so.
Lesbians who do not wish to attend speed dating where transwomen are present are entirely and legally entitled to say so. However no one person should be entitled to dictate to others who attends an event, regardless of their sexuality, gender, race, religion or any other characteristic or trait.
And once again sped dating is simply a way of meeting people it does not necessitate having sex with them.

Is it possible that your “preconceived ideas” led to your totally misreading the narrative.

“The person who seemed to find the presence of a transwoman offensive was the organiser”

The report said quite clear *attendees”

“There were no comments from those attending”

The report said that attendees had approached the organiser relating incidents of intimidation and abuse.

“She resorted…. by banning”

She posted a request that only females should attend

“She appears not have (asked whether those attending were unhappy”

She already had the expressed opinions of attendees and acted on those not a “patriarchal” decision of her own

I could go on. As I said you have totally rewritten the narrative until it bears no resemblance to what actually happened.

If you are interested in truth you will reread the report and come back to admit that somehow your prejudices led you to misread what was actually reported.

Or you may wish to continue to believe that your version, based upon nothing except fiction, is the one you will adhere to.

Lathyrus

Re Glorianny

Or you may wish to continue to believe that your version, based upon nothing except fiction, is the one you will adhere to.

Most likely outcome.
I’ll watch.

Glorianny, you did it again! Perfect reflection of your posts, with just a little necessary clarification.
Some folk on GN are just prejudiced, narrow minded people who like to hide their prejudice against females behind a smokescreen of pseudo-feminism, otherwise known as intersectional feminism.

Glorianny, your squirming and self righteous posts sometimes amuse me, and are always completely illogical.

Yes, me too. I’ll be interested to see if there is an apology for the personal insults upthread aimed at ‘some people’, too. I wonder who they were aimed at? ‘Pseudo feminism’ is an interesting choice of dig from someone who always puts women’s rights behind men’s wants.

Is it possible to be so stepped in your own prejudices that you can look at the printed word and actually read something completely different from what is there in front of you?

That divorce from reality, if it exists, is hard to imagine.

I’ve just watched a fascinating interview on the BBC with Margaret Atwood, the writer of The Handmaid Maid’s tale’ a dystopian story of the oppression of young females being forced to give birth for the sterile wives of rich men.

If MA had written a book then about about natal women being suppressed/superseded by transwomen, it would have seemed frightening, but unlikely to happen. How wrong can one be?

I feel we are being subsumed by the Trans lobby and we can do little to stop it.

One of the great things about GN is that you can have no real idea of either of those, and indeed why should it matter?

In which case Glorianny, why are you bothering to contribute to this thread?

NanKate

I’ve just watched a fascinating interview on the BBC with Margaret Atwood, the writer of The Handmaid Maid’s tale’ a dystopian story of the oppression of young females being forced to give birth for the sterile wives of rich men.

If MA had written a book then about about natal women being suppressed/superseded by transwomen, it would have seemed frightening, but unlikely to happen. How wrong can one be?

I feel we are being subsumed by the Trans lobby and we can do little to stop it.

Actually a book about the taking over of a state by religious bigots whose beliefs designated women as second class citizens. The main aim being the suppression of women who were powerful and independent. The impregnating of women became necessary when some of the members of the religious elite became infertile. A book largely about how there are groups of religious right wing people who seek to deny women their rights and confine them to the home and childbearing. Written long before trans issues. It does however illustrate vividly that it is a short step from saying women must have safe spaces to decreeing they must stay in those spaces.So whilst I would always agree that those spaces should exist they must always be under the control of the women who use them and not dictated by some outside body or the state, because any other process is patriarchal and leads to the loss of independence for women
Unfortunately many of those condemning transpeople are playing into the hands of the right wing religious groups who are using the issue to promote the idea that women need protection and men must provide that.