Single sex loos to be mandatory- at last!

It should never have been anything else.
Common sense prevails at long last.

I was delighted to read that. Especially with the increasing proliferation of selfies of TIM In female spaces and comments from those like IW saying they can’t be stopped from doing it.

I’m waiting for the inevitable who’s going to police it?

One single lavatory cubicle with independent entrance should suffice.

One possibility in new buildings is to do as medical clinics, public libraries, museums and other public buildings do in Denmark: have two or three rooms with one toilet and wash-basin each that are used by one person at a time, except when a parent takes a small child to the toilet, or a carer accompanies a handicapped adult.

This way privacy is ensured, as obviously you lock the door on entering.

So someone who has fully transionned, with long hair, wearing a dress and heels, a bit of make-up, a handbag- after years and years of suffering and pain, both physical and psychological- will be expected to go into toilets marked for men, if there is a choice between male and female toilets.

In all this legislation can someone tell me WHY disabled people have to buy a key to use a designated toilet? What can't ALL. toilet blocks contain at least one disable access toilet with no special lock?

Before I sourced my own key I needed to use the disabled toilet in a pub, the key was apparently behind the bar but no one could find it, they were shouting across the pub to determine where the disabled loo key was as some one needed to use it........very embarrassing.

I'm all for more public loos (it's the first place I look for after a journey) but the ones at the local hospital (and the mobile ones at the village fair) are unisex and I'm not bothered at all - just glad they are available. If I can shut the door on my own cubicle, everything else is fine.

Make up and long hair are again stereotypes about women. My mum never ever wore make up she strangely still was a woman, we need to challenge these stereotypes.

I agree in that I am happy to use a unisex single cubicle, but not a common space for all. I have been to a secondary school which had one common entrance, with central wash basins, then cubicles on each side. Fine at busy times but I would feel vulnerable if alone.
Genuine question: when loos are designated Male and Female, what should a person do who is in the throes of transitioning from female to male? Probably nobody would look twice, whichever they chose, as at the moment they could pass for either sex at a glance, but s/he does not have a penis so could not use a urinal. I think they would feel by now they should be using the male loos, but I am not convinced it is safe to do so.

Fleurpepper

So someone who has fully transionned, with long hair, wearing a dress and heels, a bit of make-up, a handbag- after years and years of suffering and pain, both physical and psychological- will be expected to go into toilets marked for men, if there is a choice between male and female toilets.

Their clothing and hairstyle is irrelevant. If I am in jeans and DMs (as I often am) and have had my hair cut short (which I sometimes do) should I use the Gents? Of course not.

Unisex, properly enclosed private space is fine by me. What you describe as gender neutral, is not.

People keep quoting toilets where there is only one, used by either sex. One person goes in, the others queue in in view of others in the queue. One person comes out and the next person goes in. No opportunity for inappropriate behaviour.
Apart from the poor aim of some males, there is no problem.
The problem was caused by inappropriate behaviour by some males pretending they were something that they aren’t, and demonstrating that fact.
Interestingly, a man came into the female toilets on the motorway services today. He was quickly chased out, with plentiful apologies on his part. He said he’d mistaken the sign.🤣🤣🤣
Evidently he also mistook all the jeans or sari or dress or pretty shalwar kameez wearing women in there for men.
Was he trying to show that you can’t tell by appearance?

In many places I am grateful for a public convenience of any description so many have been closed.
We visited Chester that was particularly abysmal in its lack of public toilets

Galaxy

Make up and long hair are again stereotypes about women. My mum never ever wore make up she strangely still was a woman, we need to challenge these stereotypes.

I don't either- and I am still a woman, always have been, always will be.

The point I am making is not about stereotypes- but about trans women who aspire to look more feminine- are at great risk when using male toilets.

Galaxy
Make up and long hair are again stereotypes about women. My mum never ever wore make up she strangely still was a woman, we need to challenge these stereotypes.
True, but they are the appearances that males aspiring to be women go for. Real women can feel feminine in shorts or skimpy tops, or jeans, or dresses, ballet flats, heels, lace ups or open toed sandals. They don’t need clothes to define them as feminine.

So single sex toilets, which people will use according to the gender they identify as.Effectively an announcement and an appointment which will do little except provide lots of opportunities for publicity.
The time and the cost of this unnecessary action is money which could be spent on real issues of concern.
Gender neutral toilets are used by everyone.
Provision in new buildings tends to be an open area with enclosed cubicles each with its own washing facilities.Cubicles marked M. F or M/F. People who wish to wait for an F cubicle are welcome to do so. (but a transwoman might also use it)

Very few people have a problem with gender neutral toilets that are off an open public space and self contained.

But until that is the case for every toilet then there has to be a way of ensuring that females are not threatened by males who can access female toilets and use them for male activities such as masturbation or voyeurism. Or just the pleasure of being able to threaten.

Of course the cost of providing these gender neutral toilets will far outweigh any costs of the proposed appointment so I’m not sure what your point is in that regard.

I don't understand how single sex toilets and using the one appropriate to the 'gender' someone identifies with adds up. Single sex means single sex. Picking a 'gender' and seeing yourself as too special to come under the law is not what this is about.

(waits to be asked about policing methods so that anything I say can be ridiculed)

I have to say what every Public lavatory I use,. I always wipe down the seat with disinfectant wipes before I land..
And that is whether a man has been,in A woman has been in,somebody can’t actual decide-or a baby hippo… or even someone presenting as a filing cabinet…🤓

This has nothing to do with hygiene though. Male wee is no more unpleasant than female (although they do spray it about more ). It’s about safety and dignity.

Will the lavatories tsar be a member of the Privy Council?

You’d have to be potty to want that on your CV.

I reckon they had to come up with something because the government is a busted flush.

PS. Glad you still have your sense of humour Doodledog. Hope your recovery is going well.

I think this is approaching the problem from completelythe wrong angle.

I recently visited a London museum. The unisex toilets were either side of wide open ended corridor. Each stall was surrounded by a floor to ceiling solid tiled wall and there were no gaps under or over the door. The stalls were large and included a wash basin. I could not have felt safer. Last week in France I used the one, inevitably, unisex loo in a restaurant, again, it was effectively a cpmpletely sealed room, that opened on to the entrance lobby of the restaurant. Again, I felt completely safe.

What is needed is not silly bans like this, but a list of standards that unisex loos must meet, which, I suggest, should include completely enclosed cubicles, which include washbasins as well as loos and not opening into enclosed spaces, as many single sex loo facilities do. They should open onto a corridor, or other space where people will be visible and can be seen from general circulation areas.