Corbyn now Angela Rayner another reason not to vote Labour 🤔

Maremia

If we are judging by what politicians say, remember 'Let the bodies pile high'? And he wasn't kidding.

Although that was a callous comment, it wasn't vulgar or uncouth - and it's those traits which seem to bother people most.

Also, he didn't make the comment in the House.

He is also reported to have said during a discussion about the problems facing businesses after Brexit, "f*ck business". Also, when talking about financing some aspect of looking into historical cases of child abuse, it is alleged he said that it would be money "spaffed" up against the wall" - 'spaff' can be regarded as offensive slang terminology.

The trick is, obviously, to be offensive and coarse in private where you can defend your vulgarity on those very grounds. .

I don't personally think f*ck sounds any better in an Etonion accent - and the educated can be just as vulgar as the supposedly uneducated in their choice of words.

I just wish they'd all, those that use 'street' language in the House, just stop lowering the bar. I'm not a prude, I'm not clutching my artificial pearls - I just think once you cross that point of what is recognised as civil language... it's the start of the race to the bottom.

Casdon I agree. MPs should attend Parliament and be removed if they consistently don’t.

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At least Angela would turn up, which would be a bonus.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-66568270
There really does need to be an ability to remove an MP who is not fulfilling her duties without consent.

MayBee70

Would Johnson have been so popular if he’d spoken with a Brummie accent and was bald? Even I must admit that if someone speaks in a posh accent I will automatically assume that they are cleverer than I am.

You shouldn’t do that MayBee but I understand it’s difficult to rid yourself of that idea.
Accents don’t make people clever or not clever. Nor for that matter does education, but being clever enables people to benefit more from their education.

I'm just off to do something more useful (but possibly less enjoyable) and I looked again at the OP.

^ ... Angela Rayner another reason not to vote Labour^

Personally, I don't think the proposition has been proved.

People will it seems, not be influenced one way or another by Angela Rayner per se. It doesn't seem she has changed one vote.

Neither

Maremia

Okay, here's another one,
'Who would you rather have as Deputy PM, Angela Raynor or Nadine Dorries?'
I know my preference.

I know mine too.
Neither!

Okay, here's another one,
'Who would you rather have as Deputy PM, Angela Raynor or Nadine Dorries?'
I know my preference.

MerylStreep

MaizieD
The country estate isn’t irrelevant if you want to walk the coastal path on the Dengie peninsula.
The family blocked the sea wall off outside the house which meant if the tide was in you had a few miles detour.
Maldon council have been disputing this issue for years, and his son, Hillary has the brass neck to put forward a bill to open up all coastal paths.

But that’s true of thousands of miles of coast path, with lots of landowners, isn’t it?

Would Johnson have been so popular if he’d spoken with a Brummie accent and was bald? Even I must admit that if someone speaks in a posh accent I will automatically assume that they are cleverer than I am.

Well, it is relevant: remember how the press had a go at Keir being a landowner until it became apparent that he’d bought the land so his mum could keep donkeys on it.

Maizie how is Rayner being a mother at 16 relevant yet living in a country estate not relevant for a Labour MP. ?

As a matter of interest surveys have been carried out in to how people view accents, regional or otherwise and I think these still colour our views. I remember a study, admittedly many years ago, where a teacher went into a school and put on a strong Birmingham accent and the content of his lesson was regarded as poor. He went into a different school to give the same lesson using rp accepted accent and was applauded as a brilliant teacher. Ok that was a long time ago but aren’t most of us guilty of holding preconceived notions about a person by their accent? However filth is filth in any language whoever is using it.

MaizieD
The country estate isn’t irrelevant if you want to walk the coastal path on the Dengie peninsula.
The family blocked the sea wall off outside the house which meant if the tide was in you had a few miles detour.
Maldon council have been disputing this issue for years, and his son, Hillary has the brass neck to put forward a bill to open up all coastal paths.

Anniebach

maddyone Tony Benn the God of Labour left was educated at Westminster School, owned a country estate , a typical
Labour MP ? No

You're forgetting that his father was made a Labour peer in the days before creating hereditary peerages was stopped and that he fought a long battle to have the peerage he inherited removed.

The country estate is irrelevant. Do you really think that people should chose their political stance on the basis of their wealth and possessions? Or that they are only genuinely Labour if they posses little or nothing at all?

maddyone 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

BlueBelle do you mean Matt Hancock? I don’t think he had a hand up a woman’s dress😄He was filmed in his office with his lover.As for drugs, well, I bet a good half of the HOC have sniffed up or taken some.
Doubt it’s anything to do with Northern accents.
Everyone I know disliked how Boris presented himself and said so and would have done regardless of accent.
Yeah, there’s snobbery and also inverted snobbery too.

Those are generalisations, and incorrect. No one has said it's ok for those people to behave as they do because of their posh accent. It's obviously not ok.
We are no snobbier than other countries. It's normal to talk about people in the news, like Lucy Letby. And in some countries we would be imprisoned for stating our views about politicians.

It’s the regular pictures of the Bullington Club, or whatever it was called, the regular snide remarks about privilege and Eton,

It's because we are talking about people from that particular milieu who form a disproportionate number of people who entirely undeservedly attain high government office.

It’s wasn’t just Johnson s demeanour or stupid look or daft hair but his words like Spaxxxx up a wall or picxxxxxies or the derogatory way he spoke of Muslims was that ok because it was said with a posh accent It’s ok for Michael gove to stick stuff up his nose or Matt what his face, to have his hands up a woman’s dress because they speak with a non northern accent, or a man to use the f word but not ok to be a person who basically brought herself up from nothing and speaks with a load accent

We ve all been remarking on the softly spoken angelic faced Lucy Ledby makes you laugh really, what a snobby country we really are

with all respect to your son maddyone, he wouldn’t have been eligible to be a member of the Bullington Club

I can only say thank God for that Casdon.
I’m not sure he would have joined if he’d been asked.
He was a member of the Labour Party at the time

But it’s the inverted snobbery that I myself have been subjected to on a few occasions when I’ve mentioned that my son went to Oxford Maybee. I’m not particularly discussing on Gransnet, although it has happened today on this very thread, but from other people outside of Gransnet. It’s the regular pictures of the Bullington Club, or whatever it was called, the regular snide remarks about privilege and Eton, it’s the comments I’ve been subjected to from ordinary everyday people. Why?
Thousands upon thousands of ordinary kids go to Oxford and Cambridge and do their work and graduate and most of them don’t come from over privileged backgrounds. Possibly look at St Andrew’s for that. They come from ordinary families and ordinary schools but are maligned for whatever reason people think appropriate.
Maybe it’s resentment about high achievers or maybe it’s ingrained inverted snobbery, but probably most of it comes out of ignorance of the true situation at these universities.

Maremia

Are we allowed to do a a straw poll here? If so,
'How many on here think that Raynor is more uncouth than Anderson, (who used the actual 'f' word)?'

I don't think it is worth it. Two isolated incidents of 'earthy' language in public are probably the tip of an iceberg of 'earthy' language used not so publicly by politicians of all colours.

Though don't we all know that Johnson is well known for his much reported 'fuck business' remark; which appeared to do him no harm whatsoever? I can't remember it provoking a great outburst of pearl clutching here on Gnet. Personally, it was the sentiment expressed, rather than the language in which it was expressed that bothered me...

Let's just accept that many people use 'earthy' language a great deal and that the meaning of what they say is more relevant than how they say it.

maddyone

Anniebach you’re right!

Nor did all Oxford graduates attend the Bullington Club, or whatever it was called. My son didn’t, and neither did any of his friends.
What did he do?
Worked hard and graduated with a first class degree in Jurisprudence.

With all due respect to your son maddyone, he wouldn’t have been eligible to be a member of the Bullingdon Club, it’s by invitation only, for the rich and privileged. It’s actually quite scary to see how many government ministers have been members, given its roots and reputation.
owlcation.com/humanities/The-Bullingdon-Club-for-Elites-Only

maddyone Tony Benn the God of Labour left was educated at Westminster School, owned a country estate , a typical
Labour MP ? No