Woman of the Year

Galaxy

If it's any consolation doodle I dont think its absorbed into the public consciousness at all.

I don't know. The more people hear that a male person has won an award meant for women, the more normalised it becomes. I think that there are many people out there for whom the importance of this sort of thing doesn't seem relevant. It will be when they, or their daughters and granddaughters fall foul of the trans agenda, but until then many see it as about acceptance and 'inclusion'.

But nobody believes it. You can see it when push comes to shove.
Look at the SNP debacle. People were just agog at their nonsense.

the idea that anyone can be a woman (and that men can make a better woman than actual women can) is absorbed into the public consciousness this for me is the most concerning issue Doodledog especially being absorbed into the public consciousness.

If it becomes 'the norm', it will cease to be challenged and where will we (women) be then?

If it's any consolation doodle I dont think its absorbed into the public consciousness at all.

VioletSky

How many people here actually buy this magazine?

Because if you don't why on earth waste a moment of your life being offended that a magazine that is written for and bought by LGBTQ+ people and their allies who all accept trans women as women gave an award for a person who qualifies for their category?

Just seems odd to me

Other beliefs are also protected and trans people have rights too

It doesn't matter who buys the magazine - I don't buy Time Magazine either, but the people who win their awards make it into the news, as has DM for winning this one. The fact that we are discussing this is a direct result.

Every time a man wins a female award two things happen. One is that a woman has been pushed out, and the other is that the idea that anyone can be a woman (and that men can make a better woman than actual women can) is absorbed into the public consciousness.

It seems odd to me that anyone wouldn't understand that.

Also, and of course this is not the main point, I'm not familiar with the readership of Attitude magazine - are you sure that you can speak for all of its readers, VS? As it appears to be a 'gay lifestyle' magazine there will almost certainly be readers who reject the 'T' in LGBT.

Doodledog

I am so tired of this being portrayed as politically right or left. It sits outside of that.

Criticism of the TWAW leitmotif is portrayed as stemming from 'right wing bigots' in order to damn it for that very reason, I suspect. Thereby nullifying it and decrying its validity - ergo any criticism makes you - a right wing bigot!

This also is said to play into the hands of those who spread hate and the violence that follows. Another way to close debate - by suggesting that the violence towards the transgender community is your fault.

It doesn't matter how many times you reiterate that there is no hatred, no wish to see any harm directed towards the TG community and that you are happy or even indifferent to the way they choose to live their lives, the word transphobia will pop up.

Sometimes, I really wish that matters like this could be discussed without reference to Right or Left because, as you say, this "sits outside of that". And, the fact is, that the Right can be very 'liberal' in their moral and cultural attitudes and conversely, the Left can also be very 'straight-laced' and conservative in theirs - it's well known that some of the so called working class are very conservative both politically and culturally. So it's a nonsense to make this a Right / Left matter.

Women from Left, Right and Centre and anywhere in between, are united.

"LGBTQ+ people and their allies who all accept trans women as women gave an award for a person who qualifies for their category? " He may fall into their category of woman but not mine.

violetsky I haven’t fought in a war but I have a right to have an opinion about it I havent been to prison but I have a right to have an opinion
I don’t buy the magazine but I have every right to have an opinion on what I ve seen in its contents

This trans man is not a woman, HES A MAN

Eddie Izzard has claimed his right to change his gender back and forth and has now changed his name to Suzy Eddie Izzard. So who are these people whose rights are being denied?

No one on this thread is denying trans people their rights. We often see this comment on these threads and I still have no idea what these rights that are supposedly being denied are.

Not the right for other people to have to pretend.

How many people here actually buy this magazine?

Because if you don't why on earth waste a moment of your life being offended that a magazine that is written for and bought by LGBTQ+ people and their allies who all accept trans women as women gave an award for a person who qualifies for their category?

Just seems odd to me

Other beliefs are also protected and trans people have rights too

I think Doodledog some people have it in for you. 💐

Thanks for the video - totally Yuk imo 😝

This is the advert:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2tujRTMHU0

I am so tired of this being portrayed as politically right or left. It sits outside of that.

Ah, thank you.

Yes, the marketing was more about the person than the beer, by the sounds of it.

Callistemon21

Dickens

eazybee

Never heard of the award, nor the man involved.

Did you not hear about the 'Bud-Light' ad?

No.

We always mute the adverts.

Ah, I meant the news about the boycott of the ad - I'm not even sure it was seen on national TV... I also mute the ads .

Their sales had slumped so a new VP was hired who obviously instructed their marketing to come up with something more 'relevant' and 'inclusive' (the VP was a woman - a first for the company).

The ad featured Mulvaney with a personalised can of Bud-Light.

Their sales dropped. The right-wing was blamed for the ire it provoked (the ad I mean). I suppose it doesn't, didn't, occur to anyone that there are those on the Right, Left and in the Centre, or even politically homeless - especially women - who are fed-up with having TW marketed at us as a way of forcing acceptance that TWAW.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66398296

Dickens

eazybee

Never heard of the award, nor the man involved.

Did you not hear about the 'Bud-Light' ad?

No.

We always mute the adverts.

eazybee

Never heard of the award, nor the man involved.

Did you not hear about the 'Bud-Light' ad?

Stansgran

I felt the term mistress was tongue cheek and it’s sad that people took exception to override or divert the original post. The Dylan M chap has killed off Bud Light in the US. It’s sad that anyone admires his synthetic take on femininity. Gives me the creeps. As do Miss Portugal and another Miss something or other.

I agree with all of this. Grumpa’s post was intended to be supportive- we don’t want to alienate people who are trying to speak up for women because of their choice of words. I might take issue with the word in a different thread, but the gist of the post on this one is that Grumpa wants to protect women’s rights.

Yes, Dylan is not as great at being a woman as the award suggests, given the Budweiser debacle . It’s another example of someone socialised as a man pushing to the front of a women’s cause in a typically masculine way.

Never heard of the award, nor the man involved.

I felt the term mistress was tongue cheek and it’s sad that people took exception to override or divert the original post. The Dylan M chap has killed off Bud Light in the US. It’s sad that anyone admires his synthetic take on femininity. Gives me the creeps. As do Miss Portugal and another Miss something or other.

I agree Galaxy, which is why I posted that a man can never be a woman.

Any organisation presenting a trans woman with a 'woman of the year award' is absurd, even more so when the 'woman' has retained their male genitalia.

Callistemon21

grumppa

I accept the criticism of the term mistresses, but I was making the point that even men who might use the term would wish women to have safe places.

It made me laugh because I thought it was tongue-in-cheek. 😁

And anyone who doesn't think many men and women indulge in extra-marital affairs needs to have a bit of a rethink.

I don't need a "re-think".

Men and women have been having extra-marital affairs for hundreds of years.

It was absolutely rife in Victorian times - the happily married man sitting around the dinner table with his wife and children, being kind and charming whilst anticipating his later visit to his "mistress". Women had no choice but to accept it as they were not financially independent, mostly. So they indulged their menfolk... it's just men, they have needs, etc. All of it playing into the sense of entitlement that some men feel they have.

Times have changed though and now women are independent and they, too, have extra marital affairs - they, too, have needs.

But unless they have an open relationship - either one is lying to and deceiving the other. It may work for some, but for others the betrayal brings misery and heartbreak - and not just for the adults involved.

However, I do accept that my view is a tad unfashionable and out of date. But that doesn't mean that I'm not aware of the realities of present-day relationships.

Ilovecheese

We have just all got to accept, that even a grifter like Dylan is better at being a woman than any of us.

And is he a mistress too?