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Endometriosis charity appoints trans woman as the new head of the organisation.

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Smileless2012 Tue 14-Nov-23 13:33:20

Endometriosis South Coast (ESC) has appointed transgender Labour activist Steph Richards as the organisations new head.

It's a debilitating, distressing and extremely painful condition that can result in miscarriage and can lead to infertility. Why on earth would anyone not want a biological female in such an important and possibly influential role when this condition can only affect natal women?

Callistemon21 Sun 19-Nov-23 21:52:20

Pinkrinse

It doesn’t matter who they are as long as they can do the job. A very narrow minded view of the world

No-one's arguing that .

With a proven misogynistic attitude towards women, can he do the job? Is he the right person?

Pinkrinse Sun 19-Nov-23 21:49:58

It doesn’t matter who they are as long as they can do the job. A very narrow minded view of the world

Smileless2012 Sun 19-Nov-23 20:58:14

You are entitled to your prejudices, you are not entitled to inflict them on others one for Steph Richards.

Glorianny Sun 19-Nov-23 20:56:30

Mollygo

Glorianny
You may have not realised that transmen are female, as are those who give birth but claim to be non-binary. (A nonsense if ever there was one. By giving birth they have proved they are of female sex, i.e. binary.)
What right have they to alter text for everyone, to suit themselves.
If you want to be called by your name instead of mother go for it.
You are Glorianny, the glorianny of a child who is obliged to call you Glorianny or being offended by anyone who passes a comment e.g. what a clever child -you must be such a proud glorianny,
just because you don’t like the term mother (or presumably any derivatives e.g. mum, ma, mummy etc.)

I've no objections to any of those words used by the people who they apply to. Only my children are entitled to use them No one else.

I have names and a title. Others can use those.

Why is non-binary "nonsense"? What right have you to insist everyone conforms to your narrow views? You are entitled to your prejudices, you are not entitled to inflict them on others.

Galaxy Sun 19-Nov-23 20:54:55

I would never use female pronouns for a man, I believe gender is a range of deeply damaging sterotypes so I am not going to help reinforce them in the same way I wouldnt embrace racist stereotypes.

Callistemon21 Sun 19-Nov-23 20:14:41

They was just a suggestion but as a father of three with his ex-wife, Steph Richards presumably has a penis, testicles and produced sperm, so he is a he no matter what he claims.

Iam64 Sun 19-Nov-23 20:13:33

Fascinating that again, women are expected to facilitate life for others, especially for men

Dickens Sun 19-Nov-23 20:06:50

NannyC1

SHE. SHE not he. For goodness if people on here are going to argue against her being in charge at least get Her pronoun correct.

When those like SR stop using terminology like TERF / CIS - which they know we do not accept for those of us who are outside of their TG world, I'll respect their preferred pronoun.

Callistemon21 Sun 19-Nov-23 19:54:27

They

NannyC1 Sun 19-Nov-23 19:52:26

SHE. SHE not he. For goodness if people on here are going to argue against her being in charge at least get Her pronoun correct.

Mamma66 Sun 19-Nov-23 19:50:22

If someone wishes to refer to themselves with whatever terminology; fill your boots. I don’t have an issue and will use whichever pronouns or language they wish to ascribe for themselves. Where I have a problem is when someone expects me to adhere to the terminology they chose to ascribe to me. I’m not a TERF, CIS woman, person who menstruates, I a a woman. You do you, by all means, but you don’t get to say how half the population of the world are described…

Wheniwasyourage Sun 19-Nov-23 19:36:46

I know of a female consultant urologist who deals with prostate problems of all kinds, 4allweknow. They do exist!

TheHappyGardener Sun 19-Nov-23 19:14:37

The world’s gone friggin’ mad - that’s all I can say!! He’s clearly confrontational and only interested in promoting his own, ridiculous agenda. More fool those who appointed him …

Dickens Sun 19-Nov-23 19:12:54

4allweknow

There are many male gynaecologists, obstetricians. Woukd you say tgey have no understanding of the female body or conditions. However over 16 years I never met a female surgeon dealing with prostate cancer!

I think many posters have indicated that they object to SR's attitude and not the fact that she's a transgender woman.

If I knew nothing about her activism in the TG community I'd only be interested in whether she could do the job - because that is what counts.

But she's making her activism part and parcel of it. And her derogatory labelling of those women who disagree with her as TERFS I believe, makes her unsuitable.

Like any other job - your private life and your political identity / leanings, or even religion, should remain personal and private and not affect the way you do your job. IMO.

SR has made it fairly clear that she's not really in that category - but if you look at the charity (it's a really small one) - they are very much on board with her thinking. So it's fait accompli.

The bigger picture is how the majority of women, minority of transmen and the non-binary access help and treatment from the NHS.

Mollygo Sun 19-Nov-23 18:31:15

4allweknow

There are many male gynaecologists, obstetricians. Woukd you say tgey have no understanding of the female body or conditions. However over 16 years I never met a female surgeon dealing with prostate cancer!

There have always been more male gynaecologists and obstetricians, partly because of the female struggles to become doctors. Pretending to be or lying about being a woman doesn’t make you any better at it.

4allweknow Sun 19-Nov-23 18:28:11

There are many male gynaecologists, obstetricians. Woukd you say tgey have no understanding of the female body or conditions. However over 16 years I never met a female surgeon dealing with prostate cancer!

Callistemon21 Sun 19-Nov-23 17:50:56

OldFrill

Doodledog

I’ve listened to WH, and whilst it’s fair to say that the item was about the appointment of a transwoman, rather than endo itself, Steph seemed far more interested in the 29 men who have it (who knows how many of them are in the South East) than in the many women sufferers. Why might that be, I wonder?

Steohe Richards only mentioned the 29 men once when she said this:
'I’m happy to use the word woman, I realise the vast majority of endometriosis affects women. You’ll also know there’s 29 cases of endometriosis found in men.'

I think that is worldwide.

I mentioned that there are rare cases found in men in my post earlier in the thread.

Doodledog Sun 19-Nov-23 17:39:52

Yes, but Steph also made comments about being pleased to be able to raise awareness of endometriosis in men.

Of course any awarenessness raising is good, but given the tiny number of male sufferers, why would it be something to bring up in the first week or so of volunteering for the role, particularly when being pressed on whether it is an exclusively female condition. I thought it was, although I don't know enough about it to be certain, but Emma Barnett insisted that it is, Steph deferred to the founder, saying she is an 'expert', but no real conclusion was reached. In those circumstances, why mention the fact that a tiny number of men have it (according to Steph)? Clearly it would matter to any men concerned, but it came across to me as telling.

As I keep saying though, this is a storm in a teacup. ESC is a tiny charity with a turnover of £8k, not Amazon. Being the CEO is a pastime rather than a job, and the interviews with Steph are about trans issues rather than the condition itself.

Mollygo Sun 19-Nov-23 17:09:09

No Mo65.

Shame on all those TW who lie about changing sex and push their misogynistic attitude on everyone else.
Those TW and their fans who believe that everyone should accept the lie that you can change sex.
They are the bigots.

Whether their fantasy involves self ID or chemical/surgical procedures to make them feel like the opposite sex, it’s still a lie.

Cheating, lying, pouring scorn on, offering violence to, or shouting TERF at females is a sign that they despise what they claim to want.

If they actually could change sex, would they find their current actions towards natal women acceptable?
Would they happily accept male domination/patriarchy and misogyny when it is aimed at them?

I doubt it, but because stomping their feet and screaming doesn’t get them what they want, it seems that as males, even those fantasising that they’re women, they think it’s all right to cheat, lie, pour scorn on, offer violence to, or shout TERF at females.

And some females quite obviously support that attitude. Shame on you

OldFrill Sun 19-Nov-23 17:05:18

Doodledog

I’ve listened to WH, and whilst it’s fair to say that the item was about the appointment of a transwoman, rather than endo itself, Steph seemed far more interested in the 29 men who have it (who knows how many of them are in the South East) than in the many women sufferers. Why might that be, I wonder?

Steohe Richards only mentioned the 29 men once when she said this:
'I’m happy to use the word woman, I realise the vast majority of endometriosis affects women. You’ll also know there’s 29 cases of endometriosis found in men.'

Fflaurie Sun 19-Nov-23 16:20:11

I think it is political correctness gone bonkers.

Mo65 Sun 19-Nov-23 15:54:18

Shame you all are are so bigoted to a trans woman!🥺

Dickens Sun 19-Nov-23 15:35:02

mulberry7

Of course it's madness, let's get real. These ideas are totally lacking in common sense. Total foolishness. For instance, a transactivist has apparently said on Twitter that they? want a uterus transplant, so that they can be the first transperson to have an abortion.
A waste of time, resources, of the gift of life. If you subscribe to this madness, I'm sorry for you. Don't follow these ideas blindly because everyone else is. You have your own mind, hopefully.

www.liveaction.org/news/transgender-activist-uterus-ovary-transplant-pregnant-abort/

The activist went on to explain that he wants an ‘experienced’ doctor to “cut the organs out of a willing, healthy, trans-masculine donor, place them in my body. I will devote myself heart and soul to their aftercare. I will have as much gay sex as it takes with as many trans women as it takes and let the transphobes and homophobes scratch their heads wondering what to make of it. And I want to be the first transwoman to have an abortion.”

... attention seeker? Mental health problems? Joker?

I doubt this idiot is a representative of transwomen... this is TikTok

mulberry7 Sun 19-Nov-23 15:21:44

Of course it's madness, let's get real. These ideas are totally lacking in common sense. Total foolishness. For instance, a transactivist has apparently said on Twitter that they? want a uterus transplant, so that they can be the first transperson to have an abortion.
A waste of time, resources, of the gift of life. If you subscribe to this madness, I'm sorry for you. Don't follow these ideas blindly because everyone else is. You have your own mind, hopefully.

Warbler Sun 19-Nov-23 15:05:59

You've just got to wonder how far they will "push the boundaries" in order to get attention but it works the other way too.......they've just lost me as a serious sponsor.