Breeding animals for money.

IMO the biggest problems are unregistered breeders and the people who are willing to buy from them. I have dogs and they have always come from a registered breeder, I like to see the mother with the pups and I also like to know who the father is (even better if I can see him too). When I buy a puppy he is going to be a member of my family for the rest of his life, I need to know that the dog comes from a good breeding line, has a good temperament and has been tested for any of the genetic problems associated with the breed. I've no problem with people taking on dogs from rescue centres but with children as regular visitors I need to be confident that they don't have any issues and tbh many of the dogs who come from rescue centres do have issues and need experienced owners and careful rehoming in order to thrive. FWIW registered breeders work within strict rules about how many litters a bitch may have and at what age they can have a first and last litter. All my dogs have come from family type homes where they are well socialised and cared for and I have no problem in paying a decent price for them as they are a lot of work as young pups.
I've also bought horses, all horses have to be passported but again breeding is very important. Breeders sell at different stages but I've always bought rising 5 year olds, generally they have been weaned, spent a year or so with other youngsters, had some basic training on the ground so they are safe to handle, then been sold on to be backed and start their education as a riding horse. You don't get horses like this from rescue centres and hopefully horses that have had a good start to their lives and are well bred never end up in a rescue centre.
I've never paid for a cat, mostly they are the result of people failing to spay or neuter their cats and they are happy to find good homes for the kittens but then again, I've never gone for anything other than a moggy!

If it's lawful what's the problem?

I've no problem with people taking on dogs from rescue centres but with children as regular visitors I need to be confident that they don't have any issues and tbh many of the dogs who come from rescue centres do have issues and need experienced owners and careful rehoming in order to thrive.

Very well said foxie48

Some dogs should never be rehomed, even from a normally reputable centre and with an experienced owner some can be very unpredictable and possibly dangerous.

Quite a lot of things are both lawful and problematic. Some things are unlawful and perhaps shouldn't be.

There is a huge problem with cats not being neutered. Sadly many end up fending for themselves. Female cats have a dreadful life being raped - it is particularly dreadful especially when they are still kittens themselves. As with dogs the rescue centres are overflowing and many are pts when they have nowhere to go. Others find themselves being used as bait. Yes dog fighting happens with cats being used as fun. For the non believers as an example of what does go on please look at New Hope rescue based down in Essex - Niall works full time as a dog warden and also offers a much needed lifeline to unwanted animals.

Is she a registered breeder? How many cats is she breeding from?

I'm sorry GSD,I don't want to go into this here and in all honesty I don't know the answer.

caknib

Some people seem to have managed to comment without a huge amount of information.
Always good to get a range of views.

So you don't know any details - do you want us to comment or not?

If not, why start a thread?

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You said ‘it’s grim’ so you must know something of how many cats are involved and the conditions they are kept in. It is not recommended for a queen to have more than three litters in two years - if this person is having multiple holidays from the sales of kittens, either the recommendation is not being followed or there are several cats. The local authority can tell you if she’s registered or not.

I always change my opinion of people who breed their pets but I have only ever had rescues, even when my children were small. I remember my Mum saying a particular rescue dog we had was 'always very grateful' and she was.

Me too. And my opinion of people who buy animals.

How very odd some of the responses are. Quite clearly I know scant detail,as I made clear ,I am not talking about sheep or cows or a farm situation. I refer to an acquaintance who is breeding animals,selling them and using the money to fund holidays.
Since I have never set foot there,I can not comment on the living conditions of the queens and tomcat nor the frequency of litters.

Does every post warrant forensic questioning I wonder.

I'm pretty sure there's regulations via the local authority i.e council, not the RSPCA. I think it applies for 3 or more litters a year.
Likewise if she's breeding pedigree cats... could you have a look at the 'governing bodies'?

As you said ‘it’s grim’ and that it funds ‘multiple’ holidays it was reasonable to assume you had some knowledge of conditions and numbers.

Does every post warrant forensic questioning I wonder.

So you can’t back up your comments but expect us to believe every word. You’ve asked for our thoughts. I think you should mind your own business.

Well if she's an experienced and conscientious breeder & pays for veterinary attention whenever it is needed, I don't see what is wrong with that on the face of it. Most of us have holidays it's not like breeding cats to buy yourself a ferrari.Maybe she works part time in order to be able to do this.
I guess the way she's put this across to you makes you suspect that she's just in it for the money & thinks it's a good way to make a fast buck & may not put her animals' welfare first in which case I'd agree with you, nasty.

Apologies for any confusion....I know of multiple holidays through a second party. 'It's grim' referred to the general.

merlotgran

^Does every post warrant forensic questioning I wonder.^

So you can’t back up your comments but expect us to believe every word. You’ve asked for our thoughts. I think you should mind your own business.

Yes, I'm wondering what is wrong with asking for more information about a rather vague OP posted by a new poster, who is asking Any thoughts? .

Any thoughts?
Plenty.

The OP asks a perfectly reasonable question which doesn’t necessarily require additional information and which doesn’t make any claims to either believe or disbelieve.

I think she’d simply like opinions about making money from breeding animals.

Delila

The OP asks a perfectly reasonable question which doesn’t necessarily require additional information and which doesn’t make any claims to either believe or disbelieve.

I think she’d simply like opinions about making money from breeding animals.

I think she’d simply like opinions about making money from breeding animals

That is a huge, wide-ranging and diverse subject.

Yes, it is.

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s a disgrace to use animals in this way to make money. There are so many unwanted cats - why do people buy them? I would be reporting her to the council for running a business from home, the RSPCA and HMRC.

And I would do exactly the same. I assume that this person's irresponsible behaviour means she dumps unwanted/unsold kittens into animal shelters when they are no longer "cute" and need food, inoculation and looking after?

And what happens to the queens when they are past breeding I wonder. It’s so irresponsible to bring more animals into the world when so many are homeless. I have only ever had strays and rescues and all have been spayed/neutered.

I know someone who responsibly breeds Bengal cats, they belongs to the official bodies and are registered.
Why not? Some people sell all sorts of things others might find offensive and fund their holidays, it’s one of the things people go to work for.
I sniff possible sour grapes with the little information we have.

Jaxjacky

I know someone who responsibly breeds Bengal cats, they belongs to the official bodies and are registered.
Why not? Some people sell all sorts of things others might find offensive and fund their holidays, it’s one of the things people go to work for.
I sniff possible sour grapes with the little information we have.

I know someone who breeds dogs, very responsibly, and without her that particular breed of lovely dog might well die out.

I also know people who farm rare breeds of animals, keeping some ancient species going.
Of course, they sell them, buy in new stock to avoid interbreeding. It's called conservation.

Of course they have to make money, otherwise they wouldn't be able to continue.

(Are you reading this, Adam Henson? 🙂)

Breeding animals for money
Quite unpleasant in my opinion

Of course there are unscrupulous, irresponsible breeders and the authorities should clamp down on these people and shut them down.

However, it is a subject which is so diverse it cannot be described in such a sweeping, dismissive way.