Transgender women and an early state pension.

The equality act manages it by saying transwomen can be excluded from single sex spaces where necessary Because they are men.
The answer remains no.
It is I understand very hard for some people to hear that word.

Wow! VS
^ VioletSky
Except
If trans women were on this thread discriminating I would point it out to them

They aren't so I can't

How do you know that VS?
How do you know that transwomen like those mentioned by Smileless2012 aren’t posters on GN?
That’s another unprovable claim like your everyone in your earlier post.

Evidence for your claim?

VS then added,
I can point out the discrimination I do see though, that is all anyone can do really isn't it?

Yes and I do too. I even recognise discrimination against females by some TW.

No discrimination is ok.
Has anyone disagreed with that VS?

So, without telling you what you think,

(as you earlier mentioned discrimination as meaning ^treating unfairly^)

*you agree that discrimination
against females by those TW who do do so, in sport, safe spaces etc. is wrong.*

It’s good to know.

Yes VS my opinion, just as you express yours without posting peer reviewed links and for your information, I know two trans women, who have both fully transitioned and don't support the intrusion of women's safe spaces, sports, lesbian dating events and the attempts to eradicate language pertaining to biological women.

They simply want to live their lives in peace without the worry of being tarnished with the same brush as those who bully and abuse women with what they say, and how they behave.

Yes I did finish the article you posted, which you would know if you actually took the trouble to read and digest what others have to say. I referred to the brief mention of GD at the very end of the article, in a previous post.

I find it difficult to take your contributions to these discussions seriously TBH with your 'lol's' and crying with laughter emojis.
I find nothing about this issue amusing and as someone claiming to be an advocate for trans rights, I'm surprised that you do.

Thank goodness for JK Rowling. A voice of reason and one who puts her money where her mouth is.

Except

If trans women were on this thread discriminating I would point it out to them

They aren't so I can't

I can point out the discrimination I do see though, that is all anyone can do really isn't it?

No discrimination is ok

VS I can only address the discrimination I see here on this thread, so I am. 🤣🤣🤣

Fortunately, I don’t have to hide behind excuses like that, so I can address the discrimination displayed by a willingness to support those TW who do discriminate against females, hiding behind an unwillingness to condemn the actions of those TW which I see on this thread, and elsewhere.

Mollygo

VS
You don't have to discriminate to keep your beliefs. No one does

You’re right and I don’t, but it would appear that you’re talking to the wrong people, VS.

Your comment would be better addressed to those trans who DO discriminate against females in ways that have been mentioned throughout this thread and who, by their actions, damage the image of all TW.

I know you don’t believe that, but the very fact that we, (including you) have to Point out that all trans women are not dangerous proves that that is the image some TW have put into people’s minds.

If you were to address your comment to those TW , do you think they’d accept it more readily from you?

No trans people here doing any discriminating, so really no point is there.

I can only address the discrimination I see here on this thread, so I am

Galaxy

Discussing reality is not discrimination. In order to do things such as maintain single sex spaces we need to be able to say these spaces are not for men. It makes no sense if we say these are not for women. It's an attempt to remove one of the most important tools (language) that we have to secure the rights of women to have spaces without men. The answer remains no.

The equality act manages it quite nicely so I am sure you can too

Smileless2012

No I don't have a "peer reviewed link to show this" VS which is why I said "IMO". It makes no sense to me whatsoever that someone with GD would if they're a trans woman, keep their genitalia, and if they're a trans man, become pregnant and give birth, something that only a woman/female can do.

If you're querying the % I gave regarding the numbers of those with recognised GD, you can google it.

Oh, sorry, just an opinion. Lots of those flying around. Don't take them too seriously. Get to know actual Trans people instead

Did you ever finish that article I posted?

VioletSky

Are you saying you believe gender dysphoria is a mental illness?

If so why are we able to cure "anorexia" and "psychopathy" but have never been able to cure gender dysphoria?

No🙄. I am not. I am saying that they exist, which is what you say every time about Dysphoria.

No I don't have a "peer reviewed link to show this" VS which is why I said "IMO". It makes no sense to me whatsoever that someone with GD would if they're a trans woman, keep their genitalia, and if they're a trans man, become pregnant and give birth, something that only a woman/female can do.

If you're querying the % I gave regarding the numbers of those with recognised GD, you can google it.

Discussing reality is not discrimination. In order to do things such as maintain single sex spaces we need to be able to say these spaces are not for men. It makes no sense if we say these are not for women. It's an attempt to remove one of the most important tools (language) that we have to secure the rights of women to have spaces without men. The answer remains no.

VS
You don't have to discriminate to keep your beliefs. No one does

You’re right and I don’t, but it would appear that you’re talking to the wrong people, VS.

Your comment would be better addressed to those trans who DO discriminate against females in ways that have been mentioned throughout this thread and who, by their actions, damage the image of all TW.

I know you don’t believe that, but the very fact that we, (including you) have to Point out that all trans women are not dangerous proves that that is the image some TW have put into people’s minds.

If you were to address your comment to those TW , do you think they’d accept it more readily from you?

VioletSky

Are you saying you believe gender dysphoria is a mental illness?

If so why are we able to cure "anorexia" and "psychopathy" but have never been able to cure gender dysphoria?

Do you have a link to any papers that have been written by medical professionals on curing psychopathy, please? I've never heard of it.

Anorexia nervosa can be treated and people can recover but treatment involves recognising and dealing with the underlying causes with therapy and possibly CBT.

Smileless2012

Constantly trotting out the term gender dysphoria in these discussions is a smoke screen. As I posted earlier on this thread, it accounts for only 0.005 - 0.014 % of trans gender cases.

It doesn't IMO account for those who do not fully transition. For those trans women who adopt a limited outward appearance of a woman by retaining their male genitalia, or the trans man who retains their womb and becomes pregnant.

Unfounded accusations of discrimination, blaming trans women for the actions of abusive men and throwing them under the bus, add nothing constructive to this discussion and are an attempt to close down the debate.

Do you have a peer reviewed link to show this please

Aveline

*Violet Sky* you can't cure psychopathy. Anorexia is a different condition altogether. Neither can be compared to gender dysphoria.
Thank God for JK Rowling. A powerful voice of sense.

You need to tell doodledog that

I don't think they are comparable either

Constantly trotting out the term gender dysphoria in these discussions is a smoke screen. As I posted earlier on this thread, it accounts for only 0.005 - 0.014 % of trans gender cases.

It doesn't IMO account for those who do not fully transition. For those trans women who adopt a limited outward appearance of a woman by retaining their male genitalia, or the trans man who retains their womb and becomes pregnant.

Unfounded accusations of discrimination, blaming trans women for the actions of abusive men and throwing them under the bus, add nothing constructive to this discussion and are an attempt to close down the debate.

Violet Sky you can't cure psychopathy. Anorexia is a different condition altogether. Neither can be compared to gender dysphoria.
Thank God for JK Rowling. A powerful voice of sense.

I love JK Rowlings response to the " transwomen are women" brigade.
" This is nonsense. 99.9% of the world knows its nonsense. The emperor is naked. he might be wearing lipstick, but his balls are swinging in plain sight '
Well said that lady.

Are you saying you believe gender dysphoria is a mental illness?

If so why are we able to cure "anorexia" and "psychopathy" but have never been able to cure gender dysphoria?

Sorry, the quote function didn’t work. My last post was in response to VS’s above.

If there is no way to prove the things in your early paragraphs, how do you prove the assertions in the last one?

And whilst dysphoria may ‘exist’, so does anorexia, or psychopathy or all sorts of things that don’t give people a free pass to tread on the toes of others. Trotting out that dysphoria is ‘real’ doesn’t add to the debate, as nobody is saying it’s not. It’s reckoned to account for a tiny number of cases though.

I think that is true in some cases, mae. Sport is the obvious area where this happens. In others it is simple misogyny - ‘women have shaken off the shackles of the 50s, so let’s reinstate them and tell them what being female means’. Then there’s the fetishists, and the ones who get off on power and seeing fear or shock. In amongst all that are vulnerable people who just want to live as their version of being female suggests is how women live.

That group are, as ‘some posters’ keep saying, hugely disadvantaged by the others. It’s sad, but it is not the role of women to put ourselves and our daughters at risk do that they can do it. They need to negotiate that with their own sex.

Then you are discriminating when absolutely no one can firmly say that gender dysphoria doesn't exist for a biological reason

There is also absolutely no way to prove whether dangerous men claiming to be trans woman actually have gender dysphoria at all and aren't simply fetishizing women

Which means you are blaming trans women for the actions of abusive men, even though abusive men could masquerade as women to infiltrate safe spaces even if trans women didn't exist

And most trans women care about women's feelings and avoid public toilets or safe spaces for your comfort, yet you still want to throw them under a bus

Baffling

It seems overwhelmingly (to me anyway) that men who have been a mediocre loser in male culture have invented their own solution:put on a skirt, a wig and shave your legs and Abracadabra! Biological women's space is your oyster and with all that spare testosterone you can easily go straight to the front of the queue.
And if any biological woman objects you can just steam-roller them the way the transtypes have howled down J K Rowling.
That's how men like to solve a problem after all......isn't it?