How do you know if you're dead dead?? 🤔🥴💀

Karmalady, thank you for that
I am with you

Hence the expression saved by the bell!

Marydoll

baubles

Does it happen? 😱

Years ago I read of a case in South America. The elderly woman was in a deep coma, then noises were heard from her coffin. She died soon after the coffin was opened.

I think in poorer countries that could happen, but I don't think it could happen here, given the medical expertise here.

Not in this country, no! They just keep your body in for months after your family think you've been cremated! Whatever happened to that story?

Spinnaker

Just in case I'm having a mobile phone put in with me just before the lid goes on

That reminds me of the film Mr Harrigan's Phone. Not so good for the recipients of the texts from the grave.

So, you are aware of what is going on but not able to move, bat an eyelid, breathe,no pulse and been declared dead you are basically a mind in a dead body. Think I may have to become religious to try and figure that out. Or change my name to Jesus!

As far as I am aware in this country once you’re declared dead all your bodily fluids are drained and some sort of preservative is pumped in so that even if your funeral is 3 weeks away you won’t start to disintegrate. I would be far more worried if I were Jewish or Muslim as I think their faiths demand burial with a day or so of death.

Don’t worry about it, they cut your garroted artery to ensure that you are dead. Not nice but at least you can’t be buried alive

Personally I think when you die there is nothing else. However, not really knowing the answer I'm prepared to listen to the theory that though the body ceases to function the soul lives on and is transferred into it's next body. It may be a shock at first but having no previous memory the lives on.

This is a cheerful start to my day.

After my first husband died I had quite a few episodes of feeling very big and heavy (hard to describe) and trying very hard to climb out of my earthly body. Weird I know, but it did happen.

Caleo

Some people lose their sense of self while still alive e.g. during dementia. The sense of self is even absent in some dream states. The sense of self can't survive permanent brain death, therefor if these is life after death it is not life as we know it as selves.

Indeed Caleo. “Sense of self” can also change after brain injury, and neuroscience has shown that near death experiences, which have been described when someone has needed resuscitation when their heart has stopped, are not “passing to another life” but the brain shutting down.

Most paranormal stuff can be explained by contemporary neuroscience.

Honestly, I cannot take this seriously.

Do none of you know the procedure that must be followed both by the attending physician who writes the death certificate and by the hospital staff and the undertaker?

Perhaps you should look into it, so you can stop worrying about something that is exceedingly unlikely to happen.

MissInterpreted

Germanshepherdsmum

The mother of one of my colleagues had stipulated that if she was pronounced dead her arteries must be cut in his presence. He honoured her wish. Thankfully she was indeed dead.

That was actually not uncommon. Many people used to state in their wills that they wanted a main artery to be cut before they were buried to avoid the prospect of being buried alive.

I have told all my family ( and our local undertaker) that I must be embalmed, so that will make sure I’m away up!

Visgir1

From my Professional Heath Care perspective, having had to deactivate many Implantable Defibrillator's within a large Hospital Mortuary, when your Dead your defiantly dead, no doubt.

I’ll definitely be defiantly dead!😁

Thus a priest carrying out an exorcism tells them they are now free to leave.

Anyone interested in this topic might like to read ‘Lincoln in the Bardo’. It’s a very strange book, but well worth persevering with. The premise is that some people who have physically died, don’t believe it and are in limbo.

I think the answer is that we will never know that we’re dead, consciousness being gone completely.So don’t fret about it.

I do worry that my ‘consciousness’ will still be there when I am dead. I used to work with someone who studied consciousness and that’s what got me worried about it.

I would be very interested to hear experiences or anecdotes from others.

flappergirl

Germanshepherdsmum

I have posted before that I have a small snapshot of a previous life.

It’s interesting that when an exorcism takes place the spirit is told that it has died and may now depart, which seems to work. Maybe some don’t know that they have died and need permission to pass into the next world. Who knows? I have an open mind but I also have a firm belief in life after death.

That's so interesting GSM. I've missed your previous posts but would you be willing to share your snapshot. I also believe in life after death and I have reasons to do so.

Could we start a thread about this.

I don't have anything to contribute but I find the whole area of Life after Death/Reincarnation very interesting.

There have been many reports of children talking about a past life. They seem to 'forget' by the time they reach 5 or 6.

I find it all fascinating.

Rigor mortis appears approximately 2 hours after death in the muscles of the face, progresses to the limbs over the next few hours, completing between 6 to 8 hours after death. [10] Rigor mortis then stays for another 12 hours (till 24 hours after death) and then disappears.(Googled)

It seldom happens that a body is discovered after the period of rigor mortis , by which time. there will be other signs of permanent death.

How fascinating.

Ah yes.
A work colleague of mine had a very similar, fleeting memory, and went for hypnosis.

While "under" she said she was a little boy who was a "runner" for the big house.

The tale she told was that as this boy, she lived with her mother, in a tiny cottage, and her mother worked in the big house, doing all the very menial tasks.

She (as this boy) would take messages, letters, fetch the doctor of needed, and basically "run" there and back, when needed.
Hence "a runner".

I don’t think it would be possible MissA, except possibly through hypnosis. They say that a child’s memory of a past life fades very early on but this has been with me for as long as I can remember. I do believe in reincarnation and I have thought about hypnosis to retrieve memories, but I might discover something I would rather not know so have left well alone.

Some people lose their sense of self while still alive e.g. during dementia. The sense of self is even absent in some dream states. The sense of self can't survive permanent brain death, therefor if these is life after death it is not life as we know it as selves.