Missing lad in Tenerife, Jay Slater

I also believe the search teams from police etc should be financially compensated. 29 days with police search units etc working in very difficult terrain will have been financially costly

Jaxjacky

His mother is now appealing for more money ‘to give him a good send off’ £59k raised so far.

I've just been reading about this. I cannot believe the brass neck! Yes, I am sorry that she has lost her son - but the Go Fund Me has already amassed almost £60,000 and she's got the nerve to ask for more? Really? Anyone donating to this must be off their heads.

I think the repatriation of Jay's body will be costly.

I wonder if that is why she's asking for more donations?

... and did he have any kind of holiday insurance? I know it's expensive, but for peace of mind I believe it's worth it.

Surely he didn't go away without insurance that should pay for repatriation, I find it hard to believe anyone would ask for money for their son. Money raised should help those that searched in extreme conditions and never gave up. As a mother i would just want him found.

I don’t wish to appear even more judgemental - but I won’t be surprised if he just bought a flight

The lad was 19, he acted like many another lad his age, never expected disaster, never expected to be ill. Someone suggested a few days in Tenerife at a pop festival, he just bought the air ticket and went. Insurance is for grans, and old people. What could go wrong on a short visit to Tenerife?

Exactly MOnica.

Iam64

I hope whoever is in charge of the money raised by Go Fund Me will donate a significant sum to the Spanish volunteers, , Guardia Civil officers and dog handlers who maintained a dangerous search over 29 days

I won’t hold my breath that money will be given to those involved in the search.

It all depends on upbringing though
My grandkids all love travelling indeed one has been working her way around the works for over a year, not one of them would travel without insurance. they have been travelling independently since they were 18 but have their heads screwed on.
As for this money business I think it’s gone out of all proportion and should be closed

Sorry, Bluebelle, I disagree. Upbringing does play a small part, but there is plenty of medical and psychological evidence to show that young minds, male or femail, are not fully mature until their mid-twenties and in that adolescent phase the part of the mind that has not matured is their awareness of risk and that the most sensible of teenagers can make vey bad decisions by not being aware of danger.

lets face it Hugh Mosely made just the kind of mistake this lad made and he was neither a teenager or unaware of the dangers - though, I do suspect that he had health insurance.

I am by nature - and upbringing -sensible and cautious, but I can look back to my teenage years and see several occasions when I quite unthinkingly did things that it makes my blood run cold to think back to.

One of mine went to Greece last year and hadn't booked insurance, he hadn't even thought about it. I made him book it obviously. I wonder if we are just more used to 'package' holidays and insurance being included. These days they book flights and accommodation separately and maybe just don't think

I think that most insurance policies won't pay out if alcohol or drugs are involved. As the lad had been to a festival the night before, it's highly likely that alcohol was consumed and possibly drugs - so any insurance would probably be invalid anyway.

I understand what you’re saying Monica and do agree but I still think if you’re brought up knowing having insurance is what you always do when flying overseas, you are much more likely to do it yourself, and seeing as the mother made a big thing about it being her sons first trip away alone, perhaps she even helped him book it.
It’s like cars some kids think they can get away with driving without insurance but if the parent or parents are involved in helping with their first car surely that’s the first thing they would instill in the teenager that the two things go together

Bluebelle It is a question of 'taking a horse to water but not being able to make it drink'. 19 year old boys, from the best homes, frequently do not think.

All those accidents with 4 lads in a car going too fast. The main reason the back seat passengers die is because they haven't got their seat belts on. That despite being have been made to wear seat belts throughout their childhood by their parents who regularly tell them all the dreadful things that can happen if they don't.

Boys that age think, if they think about at all, that they are imortal, things happen to other people, never to them.

Upbringing does play a small part, but there is plenty of medical and psychological evidence to show that young minds, male or femail, are not fully mature until their mid-twenties and in that adolescent phase the part of the mind that has not matured is their awareness of risk and that the most sensible of teenagers can make vey bad decisions by not being aware of danger.

.... and yet Keir Starmer wants to bring in the vote for 16 year olds!!!!!!!!

M0nica

Sorry, Bluebelle, I disagree. Upbringing does play a small part, but there is plenty of medical and psychological evidence to show that young minds, male or femail, are not fully mature until their mid-twenties and in that adolescent phase the part of the mind that has not matured is their awareness of risk and that the most sensible of teenagers can make vey bad decisions by not being aware of danger.

lets face it Hugh Mosely made just the kind of mistake this lad made and he was neither a teenager or unaware of the dangers - though, I do suspect that he had health insurance.

I am by nature - and upbringing -sensible and cautious, but I can look back to my teenage years and see several occasions when I quite unthinkingly did things that it makes my blood run cold to think back to.

Too true.

I'm fed up seeing the Go Fund Me type of appeals for people who have died or been injured on holiday and had no insurance. I genuinely think you should have to provide proof of travel insurance before you are allowed to go on holiday.

I agree with that MissInterpreted
It is like house/ home insurance.
The house burns down, everything lost, don’t worry, Gofundme will step in.
Somebody dies, don’t worry Gofundme will pay for the funeral.
I am a teenager expecting a baby , don’t worry Social Serviced will often find a flat and the council taxpayer/ the income tax payers will keep you going for a few years.
Heaven forbid that we return to the days when young women were forced to give up their babies or even killed themselves but contraception is almost, almost, foolproof these days.
Time people took more care to protect themselves in every possible situation.
Lesson ( and rant) over.

why would you want to go back to the days where women committed suicide because they were pregnant? or were forced to give up their babies?

It happened in lots of families and some of us have seen the results of forced adoptions, it was cruel.

I said “ heaven forbid that we should go back to those days”
I didn’t think that could possibly be misunderstood or misread!!

do you know what, I have misunderstood. I googled it and have read the explanations of heaven forbid. We only ever say it with a sarcastic undertone i suppose, heaven forbid he gets a job - about lazy arsed son with no job

JaneJudge

why would you want to go back to the days where women committed suicide because they were pregnant? or were forced to give up their babies?

It happened in lots of families and some of us have seen the results of forced adoptions, it was cruel.

Did you actually read annsixty’s post?
If you did, you’ll know that she said heaven forbid that we return to the days when
young women were forced to give up their babies.

Glad you’ve realised your mistake JJ

Thank you JJ I really am not a Hardhearted Hannah.

JaneJudge

do you know what, I have misunderstood. I googled it and have read the explanations of heaven forbid. We only ever say it with a sarcastic undertone i suppose, heaven forbid he gets a job - about lazy arsed son with no job

I also misunderstood initially JaneJudge and had to read the comment again and realised that she meant it literally and not sarcastically... it's highly unlikely that any gran on here would welcome a return to the days when women committed suicide because they were pregnant.

Just an "oops" moment. Have a late morning cup of coffee