Missing lad in Tenerife, Jay Slater

comrade

In my opinion first and foremost the money should go to the man whose Rolex was stolen. As £59000 might not be enough for a replacement, the family is asking for more donations?

But surely, there needs to be solid evidence that it was Jay who stole it? As opposed to supposition and rumour?

What about the volunteers who risked life and limb to look for him? I'd say they were more deserving than the Rolex watch-owner who - I'd imagine - has insured his watch anyway.

In my opinion first and foremost the money should go to the man whose Rolex was stolen. As £59000 might not be enough for a replacement, the family is asking for more donations?

annsixty

Thank you JJ I really am not a Hardhearted Hannah.

I am by nature - and upbringing -sensible and cautious, but I can look back to my teenage years and see several occasions when I quite unthinkingly did things that it makes my blood run cold to think back to.

I remember telling my horrified mother that I'd accepted an offer from a young man in a folk-club-coffee-bar to go back to his for an alternative cup of tea and to check out his record collection.

Fortunately for me, he was, in fact, addicted to tea-drinking, and did have a record collection, a collection of opera music - he was a would-be opera tenor and treated me to an eye-wateringly strong cup of tea and a personalised rendition of Pucinni's Che gelida manina.

JaneJudge

do you know what, I have misunderstood. I googled it and have read the explanations of heaven forbid. We only ever say it with a sarcastic undertone i suppose, heaven forbid he gets a job - about lazy arsed son with no job

I also misunderstood initially JaneJudge and had to read the comment again and realised that she meant it literally and not sarcastically... it's highly unlikely that any gran on here would welcome a return to the days when women committed suicide because they were pregnant.

Just an "oops" moment. Have a late morning cup of coffee

Thank you JJ I really am not a Hardhearted Hannah.

Glad you’ve realised your mistake JJ

JaneJudge

why would you want to go back to the days where women committed suicide because they were pregnant? or were forced to give up their babies?

It happened in lots of families and some of us have seen the results of forced adoptions, it was cruel.

Did you actually read annsixty’s post?
If you did, you’ll know that she said heaven forbid that we return to the days when
young women were forced to give up their babies.

do you know what, I have misunderstood. I googled it and have read the explanations of heaven forbid. We only ever say it with a sarcastic undertone i suppose, heaven forbid he gets a job - about lazy arsed son with no job

I said “ heaven forbid that we should go back to those days”
I didn’t think that could possibly be misunderstood or misread!!

why would you want to go back to the days where women committed suicide because they were pregnant? or were forced to give up their babies?

It happened in lots of families and some of us have seen the results of forced adoptions, it was cruel.

I agree with that MissInterpreted
It is like house/ home insurance.
The house burns down, everything lost, don’t worry, Gofundme will step in.
Somebody dies, don’t worry Gofundme will pay for the funeral.
I am a teenager expecting a baby , don’t worry Social Serviced will often find a flat and the council taxpayer/ the income tax payers will keep you going for a few years.
Heaven forbid that we return to the days when young women were forced to give up their babies or even killed themselves but contraception is almost, almost, foolproof these days.
Time people took more care to protect themselves in every possible situation.
Lesson ( and rant) over.

I'm fed up seeing the Go Fund Me type of appeals for people who have died or been injured on holiday and had no insurance. I genuinely think you should have to provide proof of travel insurance before you are allowed to go on holiday.

M0nica

Sorry, Bluebelle, I disagree. Upbringing does play a small part, but there is plenty of medical and psychological evidence to show that young minds, male or femail, are not fully mature until their mid-twenties and in that adolescent phase the part of the mind that has not matured is their awareness of risk and that the most sensible of teenagers can make vey bad decisions by not being aware of danger.

lets face it Hugh Mosely made just the kind of mistake this lad made and he was neither a teenager or unaware of the dangers - though, I do suspect that he had health insurance.

I am by nature - and upbringing -sensible and cautious, but I can look back to my teenage years and see several occasions when I quite unthinkingly did things that it makes my blood run cold to think back to.

Too true.

Upbringing does play a small part, but there is plenty of medical and psychological evidence to show that young minds, male or femail, are not fully mature until their mid-twenties and in that adolescent phase the part of the mind that has not matured is their awareness of risk and that the most sensible of teenagers can make vey bad decisions by not being aware of danger.

.... and yet Keir Starmer wants to bring in the vote for 16 year olds!!!!!!!!

Bluebelle It is a question of 'taking a horse to water but not being able to make it drink'. 19 year old boys, from the best homes, frequently do not think.

All those accidents with 4 lads in a car going too fast. The main reason the back seat passengers die is because they haven't got their seat belts on. That despite being have been made to wear seat belts throughout their childhood by their parents who regularly tell them all the dreadful things that can happen if they don't.

Boys that age think, if they think about at all, that they are imortal, things happen to other people, never to them.

I understand what you’re saying Monica and do agree but I still think if you’re brought up knowing having insurance is what you always do when flying overseas, you are much more likely to do it yourself, and seeing as the mother made a big thing about it being her sons first trip away alone, perhaps she even helped him book it.
It’s like cars some kids think they can get away with driving without insurance but if the parent or parents are involved in helping with their first car surely that’s the first thing they would instill in the teenager that the two things go together

I think that most insurance policies won't pay out if alcohol or drugs are involved. As the lad had been to a festival the night before, it's highly likely that alcohol was consumed and possibly drugs - so any insurance would probably be invalid anyway.

One of mine went to Greece last year and hadn't booked insurance, he hadn't even thought about it. I made him book it obviously. I wonder if we are just more used to 'package' holidays and insurance being included. These days they book flights and accommodation separately and maybe just don't think

Sorry, Bluebelle, I disagree. Upbringing does play a small part, but there is plenty of medical and psychological evidence to show that young minds, male or femail, are not fully mature until their mid-twenties and in that adolescent phase the part of the mind that has not matured is their awareness of risk and that the most sensible of teenagers can make vey bad decisions by not being aware of danger.

lets face it Hugh Mosely made just the kind of mistake this lad made and he was neither a teenager or unaware of the dangers - though, I do suspect that he had health insurance.

I am by nature - and upbringing -sensible and cautious, but I can look back to my teenage years and see several occasions when I quite unthinkingly did things that it makes my blood run cold to think back to.

It all depends on upbringing though
My grandkids all love travelling indeed one has been working her way around the works for over a year, not one of them would travel without insurance. they have been travelling independently since they were 18 but have their heads screwed on.
As for this money business I think it’s gone out of all proportion and should be closed

Iam64

I hope whoever is in charge of the money raised by Go Fund Me will donate a significant sum to the Spanish volunteers, , Guardia Civil officers and dog handlers who maintained a dangerous search over 29 days

I won’t hold my breath that money will be given to those involved in the search.

Exactly MOnica.

The lad was 19, he acted like many another lad his age, never expected disaster, never expected to be ill. Someone suggested a few days in Tenerife at a pop festival, he just bought the air ticket and went. Insurance is for grans, and old people. What could go wrong on a short visit to Tenerife?

I don’t wish to appear even more judgemental - but I won’t be surprised if he just bought a flight