Missing lad in Tenerife, Jay Slater

Yes, I read about this too.

GranWiAPlan

If you have any self-respect, and if you do not want to feel like a mug when the truth comes out - and it will - do the right thing and reserve judgement.

So many people, particularly older and more vulnerable (trusting), are scammed on a daily basis by unscrupulous thieves who con people into giving them their bank details, or even large amounts of cash. I could set a scam like that up so easily, and I would probably have a good 'success rate'; but I am not that way inclined, brought up differently in another era. The point is, gullibility is exploited at every opportunity.

There are so many theories on the disappearance of this lad that the truth is well and truly buried under blankets of garbage. Comments such as 'it seems plausible', 'it must be true', only express the reader's lack of knowledge and judgement; but it gives those posting such rubbish a feeling of empowerment.

Over the past 60+ years, I have witnessed a sad decline - older people who were brought up to trust others are being abused, while many younger people have had their brains sucked out by Social Media and MPA (Mobile Phone Addiction) - intelligence and analytical abilities are precious commodities, integrity and honesty are priceless.

I will only publish what I know to be true/fact, anything else belongs in the bin.

Jay Slater was convicted in 2023, along with a group of other youths, of attacking Tom Hilton, who was hit with a machete. There was a 'beef' between them but it was never disclosed in court exactly what that was.

www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/abandoned-paper-mill-100-kids-27461303

Jay Slater received an 18 month community order, 25 rehabilitation activity days, 150 hours unpaid work

Tom Hilton also has a criminal record.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/23418065.rishton-teen-jailed-stealing-car-taking-police-70mph-chase/

'Hilton eventually pleaded guilty to attempted burglary, theft of a motor vehicle and dangerous driving.
Hilton, who has 14 convictions for 28 offences, was jailed for 14 months, disqualified from driving for 25 months and must sit an extended re-test if he wants his licence back.
The court also heard that on committing these offences on February 12, Hilton was in breach of two community orders which had been imposed on him, one just three days earlier and one in November 2021 which was a two-year order.'

So if/when you read a comment stating that Slater was a bad 'un, there is more to it than a simple accusation. There was a group of up to 100 teenagers who congregated around the disused Paper Mill in Rishton, Lancashire. Alcohol and drugs were consumed at the illegal gatherings.

Set against the historical background, it has been easy for conspiracy theorists to conjure up numerous stories of what has happened in Tenerife, including accusations of Lucy Mae Law being involved with drug gangs there, and Jay Slater being drawn into that murky world in some way.
However, no-one offers credible evidence to support those accusations, but they have still gone viral on 'unsocial media'.

Whatever has happened, we will know when the Police have concluded their enquiries; but even then they might only be able to piece together certain elements.

Too many people want 'instant gratification', and will create their own narrative to fit what few facts are available.
It is a similar situation to that of Nicola Bulley, who lost her life in the River Wyre; that was a disgusting and disrespectful state of affairs.

Social Media is often far from social; more reminiscent of witch hunts and lynch mobs.

Let us all just wait and see.

Lancashire Live makes grim reading.

Very grim and very depressing.

If you have any self-respect, and if you do not want to feel like a mug when the truth comes out - and it will - do the right thing and reserve judgement.

So many people, particularly older and more vulnerable (trusting), are scammed on a daily basis by unscrupulous thieves who con people into giving them their bank details, or even large amounts of cash. I could set a scam like that up so easily, and I would probably have a good 'success rate'; but I am not that way inclined, brought up differently in another era. The point is, gullibility is exploited at every opportunity.

There are so many theories on the disappearance of this lad that the truth is well and truly buried under blankets of garbage. Comments such as 'it seems plausible', 'it must be true', only express the reader's lack of knowledge and judgement; but it gives those posting such rubbish a feeling of empowerment.

Over the past 60+ years, I have witnessed a sad decline - older people who were brought up to trust others are being abused, while many younger people have had their brains sucked out by Social Media and MPA (Mobile Phone Addiction) - intelligence and analytical abilities are precious commodities, integrity and honesty are priceless.

I will only publish what I know to be true/fact, anything else belongs in the bin.

Jay Slater was convicted in 2023, along with a group of other youths, of attacking Tom Hilton, who was hit with a machete. There was a 'beef' between them but it was never disclosed in court exactly what that was.

www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/abandoned-paper-mill-100-kids-27461303

Jay Slater received an 18 month community order, 25 rehabilitation activity days, 150 hours unpaid work

Tom Hilton also has a criminal record.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/23418065.rishton-teen-jailed-stealing-car-taking-police-70mph-chase/

'Hilton eventually pleaded guilty to attempted burglary, theft of a motor vehicle and dangerous driving.
Hilton, who has 14 convictions for 28 offences, was jailed for 14 months, disqualified from driving for 25 months and must sit an extended re-test if he wants his licence back.
The court also heard that on committing these offences on February 12, Hilton was in breach of two community orders which had been imposed on him, one just three days earlier and one in November 2021 which was a two-year order.'

So if/when you read a comment stating that Slater was a bad 'un, there is more to it than a simple accusation. There was a group of up to 100 teenagers who congregated around the disused Paper Mill in Rishton, Lancashire. Alcohol and drugs were consumed at the illegal gatherings.

Set against the historical background, it has been easy for conspiracy theorists to conjure up numerous stories of what has happened in Tenerife, including accusations of Lucy Mae Law being involved with drug gangs there, and Jay Slater being drawn into that murky world in some way.
However, no-one offers credible evidence to support those accusations, but they have still gone viral on 'unsocial media'.

Whatever has happened, we will know when the Police have concluded their enquiries; but even then they might only be able to piece together certain elements.

Too many people want 'instant gratification', and will create their own narrative to fit what few facts are available.
It is a similar situation to that of Nicola Bulley, who lost her life in the River Wyre; that was a disgusting and disrespectful state of affairs.

Social Media is often far from social; more reminiscent of witch hunts and lynch mobs.

Let us all just wait and see.

First holidays for our brood.

One of ours went to Magaluf, ended up looking after a few friends with sunstroke.

One went snowboarding, fortunately no broken bones (he had been skiing/boarding for many years)

One went with their girlfriend, now wife.

The other two didn’t bother for a few years.

I have read online that seven GFM fake pages have been set up for Jay and his mum posted begging people not to send any money as they are all scams.
It is hard to know if you can believe anything these days.
I will reserve judgment.

What a distasteful story this is turning out to be.

I had initially just taken the facts at face value, that a teen had gone missing whilst on holiday abroad with friends.

Incidentally, his disappearance was the lead story on the BBC early evening news today but it just covered the continuing hunt for him with no mention at all of his past. I guess they wouldn’t though at this stage.

I’ve just heard some yiung men / teens on their first holiday abroad without parents, interviewed on radio 4. They talked about being scared as a result of the missing 19 year old. It was like listening to my girls on their post A level trip, yes to Tenerife, yes first time without parents. These boys talked about setting rules in their group. We will always stay together - let’s hope they do

I feel for the parents too and am worried about the boy, let’s leave speculation out of our comments.

As a passing thought it does make one realising the importance of making sure phones etc are fully charged and maybe have a charging bank on standby. They are fairly small and can provide some extra power in an emergency.

But 18 year old boys think they are invincible until they get into trouble. I know, I had one and he grew into a 34 year sensible and sensitive dad of two young children!

I m sure she would hide her face and her proper name too I would think sporeRB if they are all caught up in drugs and machetes and gangs
Very different story

MsBond’s horrible post reported.

yes, drugs, drug mules. leader Lucy, missing backpack, missing drugs and money. Mafia

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Just popped up on tv youtube, I cannot find the link via my laptop

Called
the drama surrounding the jay slater missing case facebook posts. The name on the fb post is carter blake

youtube asylum

Seems very plausible

AGAA4

There is a lot of speculation so I think I will reserve judgement until the facts are known.

Probably the best way.
It does seem a strange case at first glance. I’ve read that the bus stop was virtually outside the villa where he had been since the early hours.He asked a local man twice what time the bus came along and was told 10 a.m. ( not every ten mins!) the same local man saw him walking off down the road. That’s as far as the facts take us.

I would think it’s high unlikely he s alright Dollymixture
After reading all the back story it’s not what it’s seemed at all
If the boy is mixed up in drug gangs he doesn’t stand a chance
Live by the sword and die by the sword I guess

The truth will never be fully told but there are lots of stories on the internet. If it’s to be believed then he’s a thoroughly nasty evil piece of work. Sorry but what goes around comes around. I think he’s been snatched by someone he owes drug money to. I feel sorry for his mam.

The Spanish police should take in his "best pal" for questioning. She is the one who set up the GO Fund Me page which is now freeze, she starts saying that she fears he is kidnapped and when she speaks to the media, she hides her face.
Why? Maybe she knows more about this case then she is letting on.

I was very upset about this missing boy at first especially as I live in Lancashire as well. The more I read about it though, if true, is he is deep into drugs, he took half the drugs he’d been given to sell and the rest was stolen so he was taken by someone until payment could be made. Now, whether this is true or not will emerge but it’s getting murkier and murkier. Why did his mum immediately say it was a kidnapping when the inference was that he was lost? It will all come out in the wash. I hope he’s ok but learns to keep away from drugs maybe.

Spinnaker

If it is drugs that he's involved in then what's the betting that as soon as the GFM reaches the amount needed to pay off any debt, he miraculously reappears. His mother will no doubt be aware of his lifestyle, which is why she's keen to keep the media spotlight on him, thus raising more money through GFM. What a scam !

What a scam
You don’t know that yet 🤷‍♀️

HousePlantQueen

The rumours and allegations on Twitter are that the GFM is to pay the drug debt he owed, the woman Lucy is reported to be a well known drug dealer on Tenerife, boasting about how much money can be made. All very unsavoury, all just allegations of course, but he is still someone's son, however unpleasant the back story. Unbelievably, some are blaming the judge who gave the community sentence, saying that is he had given a custodial sentence then this would not have happened.

I like to think I am fairly worldly, but sometimes I feel as if I have lifted a stone on a world which I do not understand and is repellent.

If Lucy is a well-known drug dealer on the island, she'd hardly be likely to demand that the British Police get involved in the search?

Oh dear I had no idea of all his background my granddaughter has just told me, then I read it on here I really thought it was a simple case of misjudgement on his part I also didn’t know the buses went every 10 minutes I presumed he was out in the wilderness and they d be one a day
Whoah, a very different story and now with all this information I can imagine drugs are almost certainly involved he’s not the innocent little teen he looked apparently
Increases my thoughts to never give to a GFM

My mother would have had a heart attack if she had known some of the places I visited!

My first trip abroad (1960s) was to Morocco with a friend. I told her we were flying to Gibralter so she would not worry. This was quite true but then we got the ferry over to Tangiers. In those days Morocco was not a mass tourist destination as it is now and very few package tours went there. No mobile phones back then of course.

I feel as if I’ve lifted a stone on a world which I do not understand and is repellent

I agree. This is so unknown to us Gransnetters (I assume) that we cannot imagine this situation at all.

I agree with you AGAA4. But if all the above is true, as seems likely, I wonder if we'll ever know?

There is a lot of speculation so I think I will reserve judgement until the facts are known.