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Calling women by a Mrs title ... & commenting on what they wear.

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yggdrasil Sat 06-Jul-24 08:05:55

I use 'Mrs' though I am divorced. I do this because of similarity with other languages.
In France, Mlle is for a young unmarried woman. Over a certain age she would be Mme whatever her married status.
Germany is the same, Fraulein or Frau.
Spain uses Senorita or Senora , Itally similar.
In all cases it is status or age that determines the honorific, not marital status. There is no need for 'Ms'
This distinction also applies to men, a young one is Master, a grown one Mr.

Callistemon213 Sat 06-Jul-24 08:04:35

Calendargirl

Yes, you don’t see their ‘titles’ as a rule, it’s just ‘Angela Rayner’ or whoever.

I only thought that about Rachel Reeves moving into number 11, and wondered if she is married and has a family, or if it was just her?

Will have to look it up.

Rachel Reeves is married, doesn't use her husband's surname. They have two young children.

Her sister is an MP too, I think.

Callistemon213 Sat 06-Jul-24 08:00:41

Joseann

Interesting, biglouis. But then Dr. equally defines you by your academic achievements, which might sound like a bit boastful. I don't call myself Joseann BA (Hons), TEFL, ISTD 4, cookery class certificate, cycling proficiency etc.
Just first name and surname is best for me.

🤣🤣🤣

I passed my cycling proficiency test when I was 11 but fell off a bike when I was 50! (It was a dodgy old bike borrowed from a friend.)

I was quite relieved to get rid of my maiden surname but quite like it again now having researched family history.

I've not noticed much emphasis upon the Mrs on here.
Can't stand Ms. It's something and nothing.
First name and surname is fine.

Calendargirl Sat 06-Jul-24 07:50:54

Yes, you don’t see their ‘titles’ as a rule, it’s just ‘Angela Rayner’ or whoever.

I only thought that about Rachel Reeves moving into number 11, and wondered if she is married and has a family, or if it was just her?

Will have to look it up.

Joseann Sat 06-Jul-24 07:50:45

Also, if you have a Christian name that is difficult to pronounce or looks nothing like the spelling then it's probably best to use it when introducing yourself. Otherwise people might end up struggling, or worse still make a faux pas.

BigMamma Sat 06-Jul-24 07:49:57

I always was and always will be proud of being called Mrs.

Casdon Sat 06-Jul-24 07:45:20

Akshata Murty is not by her choice referred to as Mrs Sunak at all as far as I’m aware, she uses her maiden name. Victoria Starmer is Lady Starmer officially, but I highly doubt she would use either that or Mrs Starmer in work, it’s much more likely to be Victoria Starmer. I think using Mrs is shorthand if you don’t know or can’t spell somebody’s Christian name, but it’s not in common use in everyday working life these days.

Aveline Sat 06-Jul-24 07:33:59

I have several names and titles. I used them as appropriate to the situation.
I know it's frivolous but I liked Mrs Starmer's and Mrs Sunak's dresses. I don't know their other names or titles but admire their choice of outfit.

Visgir1 Sat 06-Jul-24 07:25:32

I just use the handle Mrs as a friendly title when referring to my chums but it's hardly used these days?
My DiL is American she is still known by her "maiden" name, only the school refers to her as Mrs it's easier.

I in fact do have a historical title but I don't use it.

Joseann Sat 06-Jul-24 07:12:59

👍 crossed post NotSpaghetti.

Joseann Sat 06-Jul-24 07:11:35

Interesting, biglouis. But then Dr. equally defines you by your academic achievements, which might sound like a bit boastful. I don't call myself Joseann BA (Hons), TEFL, ISTD 4, cookery class certificate, cycling proficiency etc.
Just first name and surname is best for me.

NotSpaghetti Sat 06-Jul-24 07:01:42

Mrs Angela Raynor and Mrs Victoria Starmer are not the way I'd normally expect to see them written to be honest. Angela Raynor and Victoria Starmer would certainty be more usual in my opinion.

Bumface Sat 06-Jul-24 06:52:18

I simply referred to the female partner of Rishi as Mrs Sunak because I don't know her name. She was playing the part of Mrs Sunak that day.
However, I agree with you as a general point and I personally hate being called Mrs Husband's Surname, I usually use my first name followed by my father's surname. You can tie yourself in knots trying to rid everyday language of sexist connotations.

biglouis Sat 06-Jul-24 02:28:26

“Mrs.” is a title that just doesn’t get all that much respect anymore. It defines a woman as a wife first and foremost, in relation to someone else entirely. A Mrs. seems to be no longer her own person.

Thats why I use my academic title of Dr. Dr can be either male or female and doesn't define me in relation to anyone else. Im not one half of a pair but my own person.

anonymose Sat 06-Jul-24 01:47:40

I've just skimmed through another post on here about AR and her trouser suit & was quite amazed that the outgoing PM Rishi Sunaks wife was referred to as Mrs Sunak, also Mrs Angela Raynor & Mrs Victoria Starmer. Others sorry I've missed their names (not familiar with many UK politicians) but is this a thing in 2024.
I've understood from my reading these are all intelligent, employed women & not waiting at home for husbands like a 1950s housewife might have done so why not just call them by their names - AR, VS, AS etc - or is this the mindset of Gransnet?
I accept I haven't used the forum for a long time but discussions about clothing choices & Mrs et als really should have been left generations before us.