Awful tragedy

Anniebach

Doesn’t prevent others from committing murder , you speak of revenge not justice

Yes, I accept that.
I also do think that it protects others from ever having the misfortune of inadvertently admitting them into their inner circle, because whole life sentences are small, compared to the amount of people who murder.
Murder, that is, not kill.

Calendargirl

A man called Shane Gilmer was killed with a crossbow in January 2018, after disputes with a neighbour.

His pregnant partner was also wounded, but she and the baby survived.

I think it went down as ‘unlawful killing’, not ‘murder’

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The killer must have intended killing him, surely.

This is unfortunately happening more and more. I don’t agree with it. I think if a person is murdered, then they are murdered. The family of Barnaby Webber are currently calling for a Public Inquiry on this very subject, with regard to their murdered son. The man who murdered him was charged with manslaughter.

And yet almost everyone was in agreement about killing Putin.
I asked at that time, does ones belief vary?

Doesn’t prevent others from committing murder , you speak of revenge not justice

MissAdventure

It prevents the perpetrator from committing more.

Some of them want a death sentence.

It prevents them from being given a new identity and joining another innocent family's inner circle of trusted friends, or partners, step parents,

I don't think anyone convicted of an evil crime should be released early or given a new identity.

It was rumoured that someone who aided and abetted a child murderer was living nearby, miles from where they originated and with a new identity and look, putting fear into parents at a local school.

Horrific mistakes are made in the USA: Since 1973, at least 200 people who had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated. (not all states have the penalty, most do).

Again, I accept that from what people have said above they would want that if it had happened in their family, but for others it would add to the burden, could give the opposite to so called "closure".

info on this in site USA
ejusa.org/resource/the-closure-myth/

It prevents the perpetrator from committing more.

Some of them want a death sentence.

It prevents them from being given a new identity and joining another innocent family's inner circle of trusted friends, or partners, step parents,

Iam64

I’m with Annie, Wyllow and Callistemon in opposing the death penalty. We have moved from state sponsored murder. I’m horrified by the way the death penalty is imposed in the USA and by the way spectators are in the room watching the perpetrator die, often prolonged agony. How that’s supposed to help anyone is beyond me.
America is a violent society

I think it would cheer me up no end to do to them what they have done to others, especially to a child.
But I know it's wrong and I'd probably feel terrible afterwards.

The death penalty did not prevent murders

Oh, unless onr thinks all executions are wrongful.
I meant an innocent person being put to death.

Did Ruth Ellis deserve to hang ?

I’m with Annie, Wyllow and Callistemon in opposing the death penalty. We have moved from state sponsored murder. I’m horrified by the way the death penalty is imposed in the USA and by the way spectators are in the room watching the perpetrator die, often prolonged agony. How that’s supposed to help anyone is beyond me.
America is a violent society

The pope may well be against it, but I'm not.

The last wrongful execution was in the 1950s, I think.

Anniebach

I am against the death penalty, is hanging an innocent person acceptable which certainly happened when we did have the desth penalty

For people who commit intentional murder ie like the person we are talking about that went armed with a weapon then yes he should be killed. I hope and pray nothing like this will ever happen to a loved one of yours because God forbid it ever does I think very much you will change your point of view.

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Tiley

I would like to see the death penalty bought back for such heinous crimes such as this. Make him suffer like he made those poor people suffer.

It is very strange that some people supposedly condemning violence want to answer it with more violence. Revenge is a very primitive reaction. At least the law has moved beyond that.

We shouldn't assume that the victims and family want that.

Another death to live with.

It's also against the ECHR and most of the nations in the UN. The Pope is against it.

Whole life orders are enacted in the UK.

Anniebach

I am against the death penalty, is hanging an innocent person acceptable which certainly happened when we did have the desth penalty

Yes, this is an important consideration.

My baser instincts tell me that I'd like to do to them exactly what they did to others. But I've heard some truly sickening things over the years and know that a civilised society does not stoop to the levels of these violent criminals.

As I understand it he is now fighting for his life in hospital.

I feel sorry for the medical team who have to deal with him. I’d let him die asap.

He is taking medical care away from some decent person in need.

I am against the death penalty, is hanging an innocent person acceptable which certainly happened when we did have the desth penalty

I'm in favour of the death sentence, too.

Tiley

I would like to see the death penalty bought back for such heinous crimes such as this. Make him suffer like he made those poor people suffer.

It is very strange that some people supposedly condemning violence want to answer it with more violence. Revenge is a very primitive reaction. At least the law has moved beyond that.

I wasn't going to comment as these cases upset me too much.
However, one of my best friends in London, a GP, was murdered by a partner she had just broken up with. He butchered her outside her flat with a meat cleaver, that was 30 years ago. I think he was ex police.
As a doctor, my friend knew he had issues, and he pestered her at her surgery, but she would never have expected such violence. It was rejection that presumably triggered his reaction.
I feel desperately for those 3 women victims, the father, and the remaining sister.
I'm only putting the link to Ann's murder, not necessarily to be read, but to prove how close I've been to people affected in this way, and to show how it haunts forever.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/gp-killed-by-lonely-heart-respondent-doctor-beaten-to-death-by-man-she-met-through-advertisement-1411690.html

The trouble is life doesn't mean life. Most of these so called lifers are let out after a certain number of years. When it is a clear case of intended murder like this obviously was I stand by saying bring back the death penalty.

A man called Shane Gilmer was killed with a crossbow in January 2018, after disputes with a neighbour.

His pregnant partner was also wounded, but she and the baby survived.

I think it went down as ‘unlawful killing’, not ‘murder’

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The killer must have intended killing him, surely.

Tiley

I would like to see the death penalty bought back for such heinous crimes such as this. Make him suffer like he made those poor people suffer.

No, for a whole number of reasons, but life means life for those heinous crimes.

It's not criticism its talking about what frequently happens to female victims in these incidents. What actually usually happens is the focus goes to the perpetrator, and someone will talk about what a nice man he was and no one could have guessed.