Awful tragedy

Galaxy

I dont know. I mean he should never be released which will save some future women, but I dont know.
I agree with Seabears posts, in some of the reporting the women are almost 'relegated' out of the focus of the story.

I think the shock of something like that happening to the family of a colleague means his thoughts were with his devastated colleague and his colleague's other daughter.
Criticism at this time is not really helpful.

I dont know. I mean he should never be released which will save some future women, but I dont know.
I agree with Seabears posts, in some of the reporting the women are almost 'relegated' out of the focus of the story.

Galaxy

That man would have killed those women with or without a crossbow. I have no objection to crossbows needing to be licensed but the issue is violent men.

...but the issue is violent men.

Quite.

But what the hell do we do about it?

David49

Sago

Why are crossbows even legal?
This is the most dreadful story.

I don’t remember a crossbow being used in a murder before although pets have been killed before. Whatever the weapon it’s the intent hat is lethal, most often a knife is the weapon, which could be a craft knife, a table knife or carving knife, or many other everyday objects, we are not going to control availability of weapons.

How do we predict a violent threat in advance ?.

The thing is though that knives are an every-day tool for all sorts of procedures and activities.

A cross-bow isn't, nor a gun. Both are designed for one purpose, to kill or maim, either an animal or human.

And yes, I know responsible owners use them either for display or to hone their skills down at the shooting-range, but their purpose remains the same.

If people are legally allowed to own one or the other, or both, they will inevitably end up in the wrong-hands or the owner will himself (or herself) use them illegally.

Theoretically, in a sane and civilised society, such weapons legally owned by responsible people would not be a cause for concern, but that is certainly not the kind of society we live in.

Oh, and the thread title is wrong. It wasn't a tragedy - it was a deliberate act of violence by yet another man who thinks women just exist to meet his needs.

At half-time in the England match last night, the commentator (I think it was Mark Pougatch) said that his thoughts were with his colleague John Hunt. He didn't even mentioned the victims names. They were Hannah, Louise and Carol, Mark. Don't define them by their father and husband.

It is reported that he is ex-Army and I was awaiting the usual brickbats about the Army causing men to become violent. It teaches discipline, trains for careers, gives structure to some with hitherto chaotic lives.

However, this man struggled to reach basic standards, was a failure and an Army drop-out, so I understand.

I would like to see the death penalty bought back for such heinous crimes such as this. Make him suffer like he made those poor people suffer.

That man would have killed those women with or without a crossbow. I have no objection to crossbows needing to be licensed but the issue is violent men.

David49

I don’t remember a crossbow being used in a murder before although pets have been killed before. Whatever the weapon it’s the intent hat is lethal, most often a knife is the weapon, which could be a craft knife, a table knife or carving knife, or many other everyday objects, we are not going to control availability of weapons.

There have been several instances of murder by crossbow over the years.

Callistemon213

Urmstongran

He’s been caught. Good.
Hiding in a cemetery.

Oh thank goodness.

I was hoping he'd killed himself.

Trying to take the cowards way out. I am glad he didn't manage it.
I hope he lives a long life and spends every miserable second of it in prison.
How this poor man and his only remaining daughter ever get over this, I do not know.

Sago

Why are crossbows even legal?
This is the most dreadful story.

I don’t remember a crossbow being used in a murder before although pets have been killed before. Whatever the weapon it’s the intent hat is lethal, most often a knife is the weapon, which could be a craft knife, a table knife or carving knife, or many other everyday objects, we are not going to control availability of weapons.

How do we predict a violent threat in advance ?.

Ok Allsorts we just see it differently

tickingbird

I saw earlier that 3 women had been found dead and police were looking for a named person in his mid twenties.

It now transpires that the women were a mother and her two adult daughters and they were the wife and daughters of racing commentator, John Hunt. Apparently they were shot with a crossbow.

I’m so shocked and can’t begin to imagine their terror and the shock and grief of Mr Hunt. Just appalling. I hope the person responsible is caught very quickly.

The terrible thing is tha Kyle Clifford's younger brother is in jail serving 20 odd years for murder. Now they can both spend most of their lives locked up together.

Bluebell, yes it was the comment about him being caught alive. The family have been through enough, there's no rehabilitation for that man, ever, just a court case putting stress on Mr Hunt and his remaining daughter. They don't get any closure of any kind. The expense and stress of the court case and everything involved, keeping him in prison at what expense, for a nothing. He lives and three people died tragically at his hands.
You are completely entitled to your opinion and I am not judging you and it's just how I feel. What matters now are the family of those three ladies.

Not sure why your post is aimed at me Allsorts what did I say that you don’t agree with ?
Do you mean the bit about him trying to kill himself, oh gosh that’s much too easy a way out, a couple of minutes and then to feel nothing, but that poor husband/father is left with a lifetime of sorrow….. if it’s that you mean then I disagree, death is far far to easy … let him rot in jail for ever if possible, let him be bored to death with no chance of getting out, let him be picked on and hassled by other prisoners, let him feel fear, oh no death is the easiest way out of any punishment, any reflection, any life.
If it’s not that what is it I said that you don’t agree with

I think the jury will be out for ever on the nature/ nurture debate Eazybee and no way of ever knowing Two children can be born with a genetic disease so why not with a kink for violence or revenge.
It’s mostly often a combination of nature and nurture

BlueBelle, I wish the police hadn't got there in time.no sentence is great enough for such an excuse of a man. Whatever his background everyone knows right from wrong, he's a violent coward, hunting defenceless women who must have been truly terrified. It can't be coincidence that two brothers have such hate in them.
How does John Hunt and his daughter cope?, One must keep the other going. No person should bear this, I've been in tears for them. I just hope he feels the love and emotion of every decent person in the country.
As for rehabilitation, that's just not possible. He will know no peace.

There was a case a while ago of a man killing his neighbour and seriously injuring his wife/partner with a crossbow. Some neighbour dispute.

The surviving woman has campaigned for the possession of crossbows to be licensed, similar to shotguns.

As she said, just as lethal in the wrong hands.

It would seem the girlfriend recognised the warning signs in this vicious man and left the relationship but his uncontrollable temper led him to slaughter her and her family in revenge.
Two violent brothers committing revengeful murder from the same family indicates nurture rather than nature.

M0nica

Grandmadinosaur

It’s just such a tragic story. I’ve just read that the man they are looking for is the ex boyfriend of one of the daughters.
So very sad.

I was just about to suggest that. now it is fact.

Am I being blind but there seems to have been an enormous rise in the number of men pursuing and killing ex girl friends or partners.

In home domestic violence has always been with us, but this rise in the numbers pursuing and killing ex girlfriends and ex-partners seems to be a 21st century crime

And there seems to be a common thread running through these awful murders in the last year or so.

BlueBelle

Do you really think horrible, violent men have it stamped on their forehead *Jennifereccles’ many will come across as perfectly normal , and charismatic, just like rapists they don’t come with warnings, many an abuser is the cornerstone of the community looked on as a good person
The photo someone put on further up the thread shows a clean looking, smartly dressed young man he doesn’t have ‘violent abusive murderer’ written on his face he doesn’t look like a thug, why would any woman know how he would turn out we know nothing about him but it’s so easy to …
blame the woman yet again

Hear, hear BlueBelle.

I believe such men can appear quite ordinary and 'normal' - witness the comments made about such individuals after similar incidents by those who know them - "oh, he always seemed quite friendly and pleasant", etc, etc.

Unless there are big red flags waving in your face, how is any young woman expected to determine that a man has a huge fault-line in his personality.

I know when I was in my 20s I wasn't a very good judge of character, if a man was pleasant, friendly and 'nice', I took him at face value. How could I do otherwise, I didn't have the experience to be cautious and circumspect. That comes later.

Callistemon213

^Very seriously, how do you rehabilitate such men?^

I'm not sure they can ever be rehabilitated although they could be clever and manipulative enough to fool a Psrole Board,

He should never be released. I hope he never is.

The horror those girls and their mother went through is unimaginable. And the poor father, poor man. How do you ever come to terms with something so awful as this?

Iam64

We should imprison men who kill especially family destroyers. We save rehabilitation programmes for people where our efforts might be effective

This.

Why are crossbows even legal?
This is the most dreadful story.

Do you really think horrible, violent men have it stamped on their forehead *Jennifereccles’ many will come across as perfectly normal , and charismatic, just like rapists they don’t come with warnings, many an abuser is the cornerstone of the community looked on as a good person
The photo someone put on further up the thread shows a clean looking, smartly dressed young man he doesn’t have ‘violent abusive murderer’ written on his face he doesn’t look like a thug, why would any woman know how he would turn out we know nothing about him but it’s so easy to …
blame the woman yet again