Miserable “Childless Cat Ladies”

TerriBull

I was going to say I'd be as happy as Larry if I had a cat, but I'm wondering if Larry isn't as happy as he was, as presumably The Starmer Mog has now taken up residence

Oh, don't underestimate Larry the Cat. Sir Keir's moggy is the "New Kid On The Block" and Larry will make sure they know it......🤪🤪🤪

biglouis

People who have bred children need to remember that they are living upon the grace (eg taxes paid by) those who are child free.

At the moment of their conception it is extremely unlikely that the parents were actually thinking of the children, but rather of their own pleasure.

So in a very real sense the childfree are paying for others to f**k and have fun.

And if you biglouis, need extensive care in your dotage, it will be other people’s children who will look after you ‘bred’ by us selfish, hedonistic souls, hell bent on sensual pleasures, as you infer.

I think in their position, I might leave you to your own devices.

Oh, thank you, Labradora

That's made my day,

Vance's autobiography does show he had a pretty rough start family support wise, and he might be forgiven for being very pro his version of an idealised family - until he turns it into political POV and legislation.

The problem is he closely defines what a family might be, and its a very anti woman stance on the whole, defining what roles a woman should have, few rights for a woman to have control over her own body, against equal ops legislation for women and minorities, and back to the 50's type POV.

"Vance is staunchly opposed to abortion, and has suggested that it is wrong even in cases of rape and incest.

He has compared the evil of abortion to that of slavery, and opposed the Ohio ballot measure ensuring the right to abortion in 2023.

He also was one of only 28 members of Congress who opposed a new HIPAA rule that would limit law enforcement’s access to women’s medical records.

He has promoted Viktor Orban’s pro-natalist policies in Hungary, which offer paybacks to married couples that scale up along with the number of children (a new Hungarian Constitution that banned gay marriage went into effect in 2012, so these benefits only serve “traditional” couples).

Vance opposes same-sex marriage During his 2022 Senate campaign, he suggested the sexual revolution had made divorce too easy (people nowadays “shift spouses like they change their underwear”), arguing that people in unhappy marriages, and maybe even those in violent ones, should stay together for their children*

www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/24/jd-vance-gender-views-00170673

Wyllow3

Vance's autobiography does show he had a pretty rough start family support wise, and he might be forgiven for being very pro his version of an idealised family - until he turns it into political POV and legislation.

The problem is he closely defines what a family might be, and its a very anti woman stance on the whole, defining what roles a woman should have, few rights for a woman to have control over her own body, against equal ops legislation for women and minorities, and back to the 50's type POV.

"Vance is staunchly opposed to abortion, and has suggested that it is wrong even in cases of rape and incest.

He has compared the evil of abortion to that of slavery, and opposed the Ohio ballot measure ensuring the right to abortion in 2023.

He also was one of only 28 members of Congress who opposed a new HIPAA rule that would limit law enforcement’s access to women’s medical records.

He has promoted Viktor Orban’s pro-natalist policies in Hungary, which offer paybacks to married couples that scale up along with the number of children (a new Hungarian Constitution that banned gay marriage went into effect in 2012, so these benefits only serve “traditional” couples).

Vance opposes same-sex marriage During his 2022 Senate campaign, he suggested the sexual revolution had made divorce too easy (people nowadays “shift spouses like they change their underwear”), arguing that people in unhappy marriages, and maybe even those in violent ones, should stay together for their children*

www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/24/jd-vance-gender-views-00170673

Summing up then - for women - tough if you are raped or are the victim of an incestuous assault, you have no right to a termination. If your husband beats you up - equally tough, you stay in that marriage (unless he kills you, obviously) because it's best for the children. And law enforcement can have the information they want about your medical history.

Gilead, here we come!

... Oh, and he also believes The Devil is real.

And this man once called Trump an idiot!

Via Margaret Atwood

Callistemon213

I did suggest adopting a pair of rescue kittens I saw on FB at the rescue centre.
However, DH said he'd leave home if I did.

so when do the kittens arrive?

HousePlantQueen 😂

HousePlantQueen

Callistemon213

I did suggest adopting a pair of rescue kittens I saw on FB at the rescue centre.
However, DH said he'd leave home if I did.

so when do the kittens arrive?

Next week! 🐱🐱

I haven't told him yet.
They'll love him (cats always do!).

Wyllow3 and others -
and I haven't followed this very closely but it's not just abortion that's the issue - it seems to me that it's basically anything to do with reproduction.

Alabama clinics for example, had stopped IVF services after a court decided that "embryos are children" - with all the messy stufv (legally) that that entailed) and then there was a massive scramble to pass a law to make it OK to use IVF again.

NotSpaghetti

Wyllow3 and others -
and I haven't followed this very closely but it's not just abortion that's the issue - it seems to me that it's basically anything to do with reproduction.

Alabama clinics for example, had stopped IVF services after a court decided that "embryos are children" - with all the messy stufv (legally) that that entailed) and then there was a massive scramble to pass a law to make it OK to use IVF again.

He, like Trump, is a very dangerous man who would like to take women back to pre Victorian times.

Why oh why, would any self respecting person, especially women, put these two in charge of their country!

It seems worth reiterating that the majority of white women who vote do so for the Republicans (it averages out, ironically, at 52% - 48% over the past 20 years)

Siope

It seems worth reiterating that the majority of white women who vote do so for the Republicans (it averages out, ironically, at 52% - 48% over the past 20 years)

I find that utterly shocking!

Siope

It seems worth reiterating that the majority of white women who vote do so for the Republicans (it averages out, ironically, at 52% - 48% over the past 20 years)

But why?

I don't know much about Vance's personal history - as far as I'm aware, he's not a pussy-grabber nor philanderer - but his attitude towards women is cavalier to say the least.

I understand that some women are in favour of the more 'traditional' type of marriage where the man is the head of he household, earns the bread, makes all the decisions, with the woman staying at home to raise the children - but do they really buy into the idea that they should accept being a punch-bag for a violent husband because that's better for the children? Or that if they, or their daughters, are raped they should be condemned to continue the pregnancy regardless of their trauma and feelings?

As for Trump - just how does he fit into the 'family values' picture - let alone the God-fearin' storyline?

I wish one of his and Vance's admirers on here would explain it because I can't rationalise it.

Here's something else to ponder: Do Rapists Have the Right to Parent Children Conceived in Rape?

verdict.justia.com/2012/12/12/do-rapists-have-the-right-to-parent-children-conceived-in-rape

I think a lot of young women here in the UK will be forever grateful that they don't live in the US.

Cossy

Siope

It seems worth reiterating that the majority of white women who vote do so for the Republicans (it averages out, ironically, at 52% - 48% over the past 20 years)

I find that utterly shocking!

Outside the large city’s generally the US is much more conservative than in the UK so it’s not a surprise to me, whether they will vote for Trump is another matter. They are not going to vote for Harris just because she a woman, the policies have got to be right.

Cossy

Siope

It seems worth reiterating that the majority of white women who vote do so for the Republicans (it averages out, ironically, at 52% - 48% over the past 20 years)

I find that utterly shocking!

I thought that was a scary statistic, but I found this, which is somewhat more reassuring. It doesn’t differentiate by colour, but by a number of other categorisations, and unsurprisingly overall men are more likely to vote Republican.
www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-gender-sexual-orientation-marital-and-parental-status/

Casdon, yes, because between 90 and 95 percent of Black women, and between 65 and 75 percent of Latinas vote Democrat.

Black men also lean heavily Democrat, and Latino men are still doing so, but only by about 60% - 40%.

That’s the main reason Republican States make it so hard for Black and Latin communities to vote, and it’s why there is so much Democrat emphasis on getting their vote out.

But white women are only part of the female population. 45% are of other ethnicities and mixed ethnicities.

Vance sounds an ignorant pain in the backside. Why should a woman have a child after being forced or raped or too young to parent. Some inadequate men think they own women.

Siope

*Casdon*, yes, because between 90 and 95 percent of Black women, and between 65 and 75 percent of Latinas vote Democrat.

Black men also lean heavily Democrat, and Latino men are still doing so, but only by about 60% - 40%.

That’s the main reason Republican States make it so hard for Black and Latin communities to vote, and it’s why there is so much Democrat emphasis on getting their vote out.

I think I’ve grasped what you were getting at Siope, that because of the electoral college system of voting for the president, the republicans will win states where there is a predominantly white population. So although overall in the US more people vote Democrat, the republicans could still win if they win enough electoral colleges?

Hilary Clinton won more actual votes, but Trump won the election in 2016.

casdon. It’s true that the Electoral College amplifies white votes, and that most swing states have around 85% white populations. The one exception, due to demographic change, is Georgia, hence all Trump’s sound and fury there in 2020.

But that doesn’t mean all swing states will vote Republican, because white people vote Democrat too (education is a big indicator of party allegiance) and the Electors pledge to represent the popular vote in their state (Faithless electors are still theoretically possible, but I don’t think it happens in practice)

It’s a dreadful racist system, just the same, and was deliberately designed to be so. I’m astounded that it hasn’t been ended.

Siope

It seems worth reiterating that the majority of white women who vote do so for the Republicans (it averages out, ironically, at 52% - 48% over the past 20 years)

Here's some recent info re this.

White women voted:
In 2016:
45% Democrat / 47% Republican

Midterms (2018):
50% Democrat / 48% Republican

Then, in 2020:
45% Democrat / 53% Republican

Midterms in 2022:
44% Democrat / 55% Republican

Pew Research Center

See this CNN video of voters in a swing state - reasons for cautious optimism as regards voting for Harris.

edition.cnn.com/2024/07/26/politics/video/michigan-voters-harris-trump-presidential-eelection-tuchman-ac360-digvid