Why is this so prevalent in England ?

There is a lot of racial hate in the UK, the vote for Reform proved that, don’t blame Farage it was there long before he came onto the scene. It’s not at all uncommon to heard pointed comments on race, don’t think it’s just men, women are just as bad.

We had the opposite reaction when the police kicked a black man in Manchester, at least it didn’t end in a riot then, if he had been seriously hurt it would have done.

mae13

TakeThat7

Plenty British in Australia and all over the world and all the hotels full of British in great places Leave the people alone in these hotels British are put up with abroàd all the timeAll these thugs want to be accepted when they are abroàd grow up

Punctuation?

Or simply thick?

mae13, I have to call you out on your unpleasant post.
There has been an unspoken protocol on GN for as long as I have been on, that we do not criticise individual posters regarding their spelling or grammar.

We never know if a poster is dyslexic or has difficulties.

This is definitely something that Starmer is going to have to tackle.

How long it will take goodness knows but it can’t be ignored if we want to get to a place in the U.K. that is no longer so febrile.

You might like to read this article by Dame Sarah Khan that looks at the issue.

“The Conservative government left the UK wide open to the far-right violence erupting across parts of the country by ignoring red flags and stoking fires with a culture war agenda, a senior adviser on extremism to Tory prime ministers has said.

Repeated and urgent counsel that far-right extremists were exploiting gaps in the law to foment violence on social media had been ignored while top-rank politicians in a series of administrations sought to gain advantage by waging culture wars.

The writing was clearly on the wall for some time,” Khan said. “All my reports have shown, in a nutshell that, firstly, these extremist and cohesion threats are worsening; secondly, that our country is woefully unprepared. We’ve got a gap in our legislation which is allowing these extremists to operate with impunity.

They scrapped the counter-extremism strategy [in 2021], including all the resources and funding for local areas across the country who are struggling with extremist activity and extremist actors. And the government, at that time, did not replace it with anything. They left local authorities struggling to deal with consistent extremist challenges in their area.

“Political leadership is really important and how our politicians behave is really, really critical, because I’ve seen, and I’m sure other people have seen, politicians who have actually, indirectly or directly undermined social cohesion because they’ve used inflammatory language.”

There’s a serious duty on our politicians to not engage in inflammatory language; to not use, for example, dehumanising language about asylum seekers, refugees and, you know, people who are coming to our country.

“Of course, there’s a legitimate debate about immigration, about numbers and all of those things, but there’s a way that you can talk about these issues without using dehumanising and inflammatory language. Because, by using that language, you just see extremists co-opting that. You see people saying, well, if politicians can use that language, why can’t we?”

I blame Farage and his ilk ,they,ve rampedup hatred against anyone not born in England for years .This is the outcome along with Brexit and the loss of thousands of EU citizens who held up the NHS amongst other things.

I think you are absolutely correct, paddyann54.

We had an anti EU campaign in which immigration played a prominent part and since then we have had governments pushing the anti immigrant agenda, fully supported by most of the popular media.

I think relating the actions of the rioters to those of football fans is absolutely correct, too. It's mindless tribal action fuelled by being in a 'pack' and the supposed anonymity that provides. And it's exciting...

Ironically, I suspect that it's more English than Scottish, Welsh or Irish because the English have never been the 'underdogs', they've been fed the story of Empire and being 'top nation' and they feel that 'immigrants' are challenging that story by being apparently outwith the control of the 'top nation'. Which makes them very angry...

nanna8

That is lovely Macadia Very like how it was when my children were young. We are fortunate here where we live because things are still very ‘innocent’ for now at least. Can’t say we regret leaving and emigrating 50 years ago, especially just now. I hope we never get like that but I’m not holding my breath!

I'm glad you like it!

My son asked me, "Why do humans have wisdom teeth". I didn't know why. He said it was for ripping apart raw meat from an animal, before fire and cooking was used. He said that humans have lived the same for 300,000 years and yet today, finally, through evolution, babies are being born, humans exist which will never have wisdom teeth. He said it took hundreds of thousands of years of evolution to catch up to what humans are doing now. That said, he said that after hundred of thousands of years, human lifestyles have been violated ant disturbed by the introduction of technology, internet, factories, lack of self-sustaining means and now because this evolution of society has surpassed the capabilities of humans to adjust to it, we will have all humans in chaos with mental illness (so called) and violence because humankind have not been given enough time to evolve with the society that is pressed against them. Thoughts?

Ali23

I’m not saying that it isn’t a problem… it worries me too… but I live in Leicester and was shocked to see reports on TV to say we had had trouble too ( although without major violence I think). What wasn’t reported at all was that about half a mile away people of all colours and nationalities were rubbing along peacefully together on the park. I know because I was on the park at the time.

What I’m trying to say is that the peaceful rubbing along is MUCH more typically English, and the protests and violence are the only bits that get attention.

We are near Leicester and have been proud of the fabulous multicultural aspects of the town but there are now definitely undercurrents of unrest.

Check out news footage from all over the world. It is prevalent in all countries where it is permissible at one time or another. In countries where it is not, there is usually a dictatorship.

growstuff

Macadia

Imagine, our children and our children's children have no idea how different the world is today. To them, this is just normal life.

To us, it's absurd. And sometimes very sad. I feel that the sadness is not in my head. I feel that it is out there. The state of populations is sad, not the people, but society.

(I'm having difficulty saying what I want to say. I hope this post isn't a jumbled yarn ball).

Maybe you mean something like this:

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace"

Aww. growstuff that brought tears to my eyes.

You get riots everywhere and those that destroy the streets and peoples properties should be made to clean it up and pay for the damage, we are too soft on them. These thugs are on the whole men who latch on to nearly every cause, like the footfall louts did.I feel sorry for youngsters born now, this is their normal. If peoples concerns are not addressed they should have peaceful protests, doubt they are listened to.
The heating allowance being taken away from pensioners is I feel the tip of the iceberg, the next step will be pensions and benefits, the triple lock will go, we are an easy target. When people feel they can’t cope and no one’s listening what then.
Last night i watched a documentary with Simon Reeves, about the poverty in Cornwall, it was truly heartbreaking. The fishing had gone, the china clay mines, there were a few menial jobs but no prospects, houses boarded up, people living in sheds, most of the town , proud men and women living on food from a food bank, in a town falling to bits. Are the government bothered about them? This should be headline news, why don't the newspapers expose this?

Macadia

Imagine, our children and our children's children have no idea how different the world is today. To them, this is just normal life.

To us, it's absurd. And sometimes very sad. I feel that the sadness is not in my head. I feel that it is out there. The state of populations is sad, not the people, but society.

(I'm having difficulty saying what I want to say. I hope this post isn't a jumbled yarn ball).

Maybe you mean something like this:

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace"

Floradora9

I cannot understand the mentality of those people , mostly men , causing so much damage in England at the moment. We are all shocked at the murders in Southport but why are they damaging and even looting shops ? This mentality of keeping England for the English is not found in Wales or Scotland but it is found in nothern Ireland . I see them waving flags of Saint George and rioting in so many cities. If the killer of these childen had been say French would they feel the same ? I am sure colour comes into it . I saw someone orchestrating the youths to cause havoc what are their parents thinking they are up to . I must admit I dispair of the mentality of these people .

Good point - these rioters are overhelmingly male. They haven't moved on from the "Caveman" culture, have they?

And the reason they are looting? They. Are. Thieves.

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That is lovely Macadia Very like how it was when my children were young. We are fortunate here where we live because things are still very ‘innocent’ for now at least. Can’t say we regret leaving and emigrating 50 years ago, especially just now. I hope we never get like that but I’m not holding my breath!

This is David Zincke's family movie with a song he wrote for his grandpa. I hope you enjoy travelling back in time with it.

youtu.be/DVgH60H2rzQ

Imagine, our children and our children's children have no idea how different the world is today. To them, this is just normal life.

To us, it's absurd. And sometimes very sad. I feel that the sadness is not in my head. I feel that it is out there. The state of populations is sad, not the people, but society.

(I'm having difficulty saying what I want to say. I hope this post isn't a jumbled yarn ball).

I don't understand it either, but I'm learning more about it each day. It does seem that humankind is somewhat damaged. Still studying the theories of why.

nanna8

The more attention these thugs get the more they will give the news people what they want. There is something very sick about press people hanging around at the edge of groups of people with cameras . You can almost see the small groups banding together to put on a show for them. Not all ,of course , but definitely a factor. Here’s a camera, let’s put on a show for publicity and then we will get more supporters, our mates will see it and join in.

It's the zillions of videos, photos, comments etc on social media that are the threat, not the few MSM reporters recording events.

The more attention these thugs get the more they will give the news people what they want. There is something very sick about press people hanging around at the edge of groups of people with cameras . You can almost see the small groups banding together to put on a show for them. Not all ,of course , but definitely a factor. Here’s a camera, let’s put on a show for publicity and then we will get more supporters, our mates will see it and join in.

Elrel

TakeThat7 Sun 04-Aug-24 22:44:53
And then there are all the jobs people from other countries do because not enough British willing to do them‘

Like the Filipino emergency nurses in Sunderland whose taxis were attacked as they travelled to work.

That did make me feel terrible, those nurses must have been terrified. It’s so wrong, we recruit them specifically from the Philippines because they are excellent nurses, and then ignorant idiots do that.

I’m not saying that it isn’t a problem… it worries me too… but I live in Leicester and was shocked to see reports on TV to say we had had trouble too ( although without major violence I think). What wasn’t reported at all was that about half a mile away people of all colours and nationalities were rubbing along peacefully together on the park. I know because I was on the park at the time.

What I’m trying to say is that the peaceful rubbing along is MUCH more typically English, and the protests and violence are the only bits that get attention.

TakeThat7 Sun 04-Aug-24 22:44:53
And then there are all the jobs people from other countries do because not enough British willing to do them‘

Like the Filipino emergency nurses in Sunderland whose taxis were attacked as they travelled to work.

I blame Farage and his ilk ,they,ve rampedup hatred against anyone not born in England for years .This is the outcome along with Brexit and the loss of thousands of EU citizens who held up the NHS amongst other things.We haven’t had racist riots here in Scotland we have had warring football fans and that’s bad enough …Iexpect we,ll seethe so called “Kings11” out on the streets when there is as planned a EDL event in Glasgow next month ..the Kingd 11” are Rangers fans ,unionists and royalists…in the main so this behaviour is right up their street..they even wrecked George Square when they won a match

And then there are all the jobs people from other countries do because not enough British willing to do them

Plenty British in Australia and all over the world and all the hotels full of British in great places Leave the people alone in these hotels British are put up with abroàd all the timeAll these thugs want to be accepted when they are abroàd grow up