Means testing state pension.

I wouldn't put anything past Rachel Reeves.

No, I think it's just conjecture at this point.

People are daft enough and angry enough to believe anything.

MissAdventure

No, I think it's just conjecture at this point.

People are daft enough and angry enough to believe anything.

I don't think I am daft enough to believe it but I may be angry enough to believe it after what they have been doing recently.

Well, no point in anyone getting their knickers in a twist until it happens, I think.

I don't think state pension is a benefit. People pay in all their working lives so it wouldn't go down well if you were told you wouldn't be receiving anything.

I would put nothing past Labour at present.

I'd be beyond shocked if they means tested the state pension.

(Its not a benefit).

Its nasty and deliberate scaremongering for a vulnerable group and they should be ashamed, there is absolutely no evidence for it.

I assumed that the means-testing was just press-speak for restricting the WFP to those on pension credit. The article suggests that means-testing the actual pension would be a major undertaking and not a current plan. My knickers, like yours, MissAdventure are not at all twisted.

I don't think they'll be happy until everyone is at loggerheads.
Setting sections of people against each other.

Iys pretty obvious that it's a bad way forbthings to be.

MissAdventure

I don't think they'll be happy until everyone is at loggerheads.
Setting sections of people against each other.

Iys pretty obvious that it's a bad way forbthings to be.

Thats what's happening MissA and I despise that kind of "stirring".

Wyllow3

(Its not a benefit).

Its nasty and deliberate scaremongering for a vulnerable group and they should be ashamed, there is absolutely no evidence for it.

No it isn’t.If you look at the link provided it’s a money and finance advice thing, a bit like Martin Lewis.
They say that so far Labour have said nothing along these lines but do their best to reassure and provide info.People ask questions and they answer.

Me too.
It's another thing for labour to have to manage, alongside the nitty gritty issues.

I wonder who is behind all the scaremongering and setting people against each other. There is truth in divided we fall.

It's scaremongering. Parts of the press have been doing it since the election. Labour are going to tax the poor. Labour are going to tax the middle class. 'You whoever 'you' are, are going to have to pay out another £2000/£5000 a year. There is no evidence produced. It's all just conjecture and trouble causing.

Labour have to do something as there's a £20billion black hole that they weren't expecting when they planned for after the election.

Tbh, and I know I won't be popular for saying this, but there are people who don't need the WFP. My mam, for one, who isn't rich but is what I'd class (and I know this is just my opinion) as well off. I asked her what she did with her WFP and she said she just left it in the bank because she could pay her bills. My problem with the change is that it's an abrupt cut off point. If you get pension credit then you get WFP but if you're outside of the cut off point by only £1 then you lose £300. I think there should have been a sliding scale with the amount decreasing as incomes increased. The scale could go up to the point where the pension credit recipients would be before cutting off completely. That way the poorest would be on an even footing.

Wyllow3

(Its not a benefit).

Its nasty and deliberate scaremongering for a vulnerable group and they should be ashamed, there is absolutely no evidence for it.

Well they started well with the "vulnerable group " Stopping the winter fuel allowance was a no with Starmer,look how he blasted Sunak for even mentioning it. Now starmer stopped it.This pm is not trustworthy, certainly not on the side of British people.He always said he preferred Davos and that parliament was a shouty place. Wait till next pm questions. Think he might get his wish.

Please be aware "this money co.uk" is part of the Daily Mail group.
Certainly noting like Martin Lewis' money site.

People who donate it, can leave it in the bank, or give it away aren't vulnerable.

Wyllow3

(Its not a benefit).

Its nasty and deliberate scaremongering for a vulnerable group and they should be ashamed, there is absolutely no evidence for it.

It's called a benefit.

I am indeed waiting for PM questions, the election of a new Conservative Leader, the return of parliament,

So we can get away from this silly season of gross speculation and half baked headline attacks cooked up by those fundamentally opposed to the Labour Party and anything good achieved ignored or minimised.

Probably Tory scaremongering. I'd be very surprised and deeply shocked if Labour means tested old age pensions currently in payment. I wouldn't rule out in the future Labour raising the retirement age again or means testing for those not yet receiving the pension though I would expect that to be accompanied by a reduction in contributions.

Allira

Wyllow3

(Its not a benefit).

Its nasty and deliberate scaremongering for a vulnerable group and they should be ashamed, there is absolutely no evidence for it.

It's called a benefit.

I know what you mean, however there is controversy around calling it a benefit as it differs fundamentally from all means tested payouts, there is nothing comparable.

For those on the old State Pension, contracting out was a subtle way of means-testing the SP benefit.
After 35 years of contributions, my SP on the old system is more like £7,500 with deductions for contracting out, rather than the £11,500? on the new SP.

Wyllow3

Allira

Wyllow3

(Its not a benefit).

Its nasty and deliberate scaremongering for a vulnerable group and they should be ashamed, there is absolutely no evidence for it.

It's called a benefit.

I know what you mean, however there is controversy around calling it a benefit as it differs fundamentally from all means tested payouts, there is nothing comparable.

It was a New Labour Pensions Minister who wrote and answered my query, assuring me it was indeed a benefit.