Dog walker attacked in park

Very sad indeed for all concerned. I suspect the attackers have nothing to do with their grandparents and had no idea that a slightly built 80 year old can easily die from a blow or a fall.

All that hitting a child does is show them that it’s ok to hit other people.

Allira

Ziggy62 At first we were told not to reprimand them in any way, now we are frightened of the out-of-control young people some of them have become.

If we watch the animal world, we see the parents allow freedom but also use discipline.

The only friend my daughter had that used to hit other people was the only one ( that we know of anyway) that used to be hit by her stepfather.

Just to add, youngsters won't be looking through old stuff, instead they will be seeing all the gruesome programmes being made now, and there are some really bad ones. I try and keep up to date with what's going on and am just horrified. For instance, there is a slasher film called Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey. Just one example of the way things are going now.

I have given up watching the current crop of TV series. They are all about violence and murder. We used to have much more variety and also period dramas, I can think of so many from the past. I would never be short of things to watch, but now I rarely watch BBC or ITV these days. Instead I'm looking through the old stuff on Amazon Freevee and other channels.

One pregnant woman and several children drowned in the channel the other day.

Response on GN seems relative.

I saw it in the newspaper this morning, two high school boys pushed a pregnant woman off the bench in the bus shelter and she lost her baby. When they find them they should be charged with murder. There should be cameras around showing them when they left the bus shelter.

It also showed on the tv news this morning that a policeman stopped a man suspected of possessing drugs and when he was searchhed they found drugs and a machete in his bag. He received a 38 week prison sentence. 38 weeks. The justice system is a joke.

eazybee

I think repeated exposure to violent behaviour via social media and film is a contributory factor, coupled with appalling parenting and lack of sanctions at schools, which is the only contact these feral youngsters have with responsible adults.

On a lesser note I have watched over the past week, Sherwood,Grace and The Tower, all unsettling 'murder mysteries' which make violence appear commonplace. I doubt if feral teenagers watch these as they can access far worse material, but is it necessary to have the constant focus on violent behaviour for entertainment? Is it in response to public demand?

I totally agree.
I am getting very tired of these violent cop shows constantly shoved at us in the name of entertainment.
Grace, on Sunday. featured a fatally beaten up elderly woman. Now, the story could have been advanced without this awful violence, so it is there just to titillate; a cheap ploy to sell the programme.

Poor man, and his family
It’s a group of children acting as a mob I think.One child or even two would probably not have acted this brutal way.

This gentle kind man had osteoporosis including in his neck, and the suggestion is kicking that area (and others) contributed to his death. He had complained to police about racist abuse by a group of young teenagers, including throwing stones meant to prevent cars parking on grass. Neighbours say this had become an issue in recent weeks (DMail)

I don’t believe the lack of corporal punishment or smacking/belting is a factor in this kind of disgusting behaviour. Look at the adults we saw rioting recently, role models for our children? Racism, violence to our police and emergency services demonstrated on our t.v every night recently. In addition, many of these children get regular good hidings from angry parents, many of whom consume excess alcohol and/or illegal substances in full knowledge of their children.
We have a societal problem with drugs/alcohol/low expectations of behaviour in some, not the majority of our people

Ziggy62 At first we were told not to reprimand them in any way, now we are frightened of the out-of-control young people some of them have become.

If we watch the animal world, we see the parents allow freedom but also use discipline.

I worked in childcare from the 80s. Working in nurseries and schools with under 8s and loved it. In 2018 I decided to apply to become a childminder after a 2 year break from childcare. During one of my home visits I was told I couldn't say "no" to a child or use the time out method. I started caring for 2 boys aged 8 and 2 in May, by August I just couldn't continue. The older boy had been to 3 childminders before me, 2 afterschool clubs.
It's quite worrying how are children going to learn right from wrong if teachers,carers, parents can't say no or discipline them now?
Scary times

I agree Eazybee, so many programmes are following this theme. Whether any young perpetrators watch them or not, making so many programmes about this type of thing suggests and possibly accepts this as the norm. It’s so depressing, I really can’t understand why the writers want to make these or the people who decide what should be made or shown on tv think it’s enjoyable entertainment

theblackmansanswer there are lots of reports online from various newspapers.

www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/24560399.pregnant-woman-loses-baby-tranent-high-street-assault/

I think repeated exposure to violent behaviour via social media and film is a contributory factor, coupled with appalling parenting and lack of sanctions at schools, which is the only contact these feral youngsters have with responsible adults.

On a lesser note I have watched over the past week, Sherwood,Grace and The Tower, all unsettling 'murder mysteries' which make violence appear commonplace. I doubt if feral teenagers watch these as they can access far worse material, but is it necessary to have the constant focus on violent behaviour for entertainment? Is it in response to public demand?

Chestnut

Now I hear that last Friday a pregnant woman suffered a miscarriage and lost her baby after being knocked off a bench by teenagers whilst waiting for a bus in East Lothian.

Where did you get this info from?

Crossly not grossly

Now I hear that last Friday a pregnant woman suffered a miscarriage and lost her baby after being knocked off a bench by teenagers whilst waiting for a bus in East Lothian.

I think the fact that no one seems to be allowed discipline children anymore except their parents is also a factor. In the days when neighbours could tell off misbehaving kids, the local Bobby could have stern words and schools could insist that pupils abide by their rules, backed up by parents, allowed children to gain an understandingof what is and isn't acceptable by society.

Now many parents become indignant or angry if anyone corrects their child and many people are afraid to speak grossly or sternly to someone else's child in case they attract the ire of the parent. As a result many kids are growing up in a bubble, totally unaware of what constitutes normal and acceptable behaviour.

Bhim Kohli, died of neck injuries. 4 of the children have been discharged with no further action. One 14 year old boy remains in custody.
Mr Kohli had previously complained to the police about antisocial behaviour.
Many assumptions have been voiced on here, maybe patience should be exercised before jumping to conclusions about the children involved, as it seems most weren't involved.

Don't suppose anyone knows what happened to that poor dog....?

tickingbird

This is so sad. I feel so sorry for this poor elderly gentleman walking his dog and being attacked by feral kids. What a world we live in.

I don’t know the answers but lack of guidance and boundaries for children must play a part.

I agree.
My DH was a teacher for over 30 years, in the beginning wasn’t too bad but towards the end he was glad to retire. He taught in a high school and the kids could be a nightmare. The thing is the way it used to be with corporal punishment was wrong but now it has gone too far the other way, there is no discipline because schools cannot implement it, if they do many parents would be outraged and they could even face litigation. Detention means nothing to these kids, they just don’t show up, and if they are suspended they just hang around the streets making a pest of themselves and all their mates think they are cool.
When I was young my parents supported the teachers if they disciplined me. That rarely happens now. In my husbands school when a boy was expelled for attacking another pupil his dad turned up at the school and punched the deputy head.
This is what we are up against as a society.

This is so sad. I feel so sorry for this poor elderly gentleman walking his dog and being attacked by feral kids. What a world we live in.

I don’t know the answers but lack of guidance and boundaries for children must play a part.

Bloody awful.
How very sad.

keepingquiet

I just read this inoffensive and gentle man had made several complaints to the police about anti-social behaviour. How sad that nothing was done. One man is dead and five other young lives ruined.

Leicestershire police said it had voluntarily referred itself to the police watchdog, the Independent Office of Police Conduct (IOPC), about the previous incident involving Kohli which was reported to them in July. During that incident it is alleged some of the comments made by the young people were racist.

Four of the children have been released without charge. One 14 year old is still in police custody.

What a terrible end to a long life. 😥