Dog walker attacked in park

I think parents need encouragement. I always compliment the parents of reasonably behaved children in cafes because they deserve it. Always very well received.

Good for you GrannySomerset. I do the same.

We do need to invest in our children. Including into helping the ones confused about their sexuality or gender.

There will now be a lot of money spent on this 14 year old for many years to come. Money which should have been spent on prevention of such events happening. So many cut backs over the last decade.
Parenting has to be taught. It is not an innate skill. In our society now with all the distractions, financial and "cultural" poverty (Cultural being my umbrella term for education, ideas, skills, social skills. I expect there is a better term, but can't think of one) good parenting is hard to do. The majority manage, the minority fail and need help... as well as being accountable in such events.
We must wait for any more information about the offender before we can judge what has gone wrong for him and why.

I do too GrannySomerset and Iam. I know how much it meant to us when our boys behaviour was complimented as it often was.

Just because a child was complimented on their behaviour when they were small, doesnt mean they can't go off the rails later on in life.

Hope the courts make an example of them

Boy, 14, held on suspicion of murdering 80-year-old man in Leicestershire*

It's almost unbelievable that someone so young has so little regard for human life - their own included.

Apart from parents influence, kids are influenced by social media and friends, the internet, violent games and too much screen time in general is bad. Unsupervised use of the internet, or bad friendships especially.

Also I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned behavioural disorders and past abuse because children often play out what they have seen or experienced.

Whatever the cause is, that ship has well and truly sailed. So there will need to be some sort of punishment and reprogramming.

I hope that therapy and education will help this young lad. He maybe troubled or he may just be an out and out bad soul

We do not know his family history, we do not know his mother is a single parent, we do not know his father isn’t around. This as far as I am aware is just malicious speculation.

Talk of reprogramming really? We are not in North Korea or China.

RIP Bhim💐

GrannyGravy13

I hope that therapy and education will help this young lad. He maybe troubled or he may just be an out and out bad soul

We do not know his family history, we do not know his mother is a single parent, we do not know his father isn’t around. This as far as I am aware is just malicious speculation.

Talk of reprogramming really? We are not in North Korea or China.

RIP Bhim💐

Re educating then, whatever you want to call it when children have to attend a programme when they have killed someone. I don't really know what it's called, but maybe a detention centre? They used to have Borstals, but I don't know these days what they do with them?

You're right though, we don't know what caused it, we just have to hope he gets the appropriate help to turn his life around and that "lessons will be learnt"

Secure Accommodation is used to contain 14 year olds accused of serious offences. The boys who murdered Jamie Bolger went to separate units. One of them responded well to the regime. Cooperated, worked at education, had positive relationships with staff. Hes on life licence as would be expected. He’s kept of trouble and never been recalled
The other boy didn’t respond posituvely to Secure or prison. His life licence had him recalled to prison. He’s also been charged with serious offences

It's good to know they do have secure units and a regime @ Iam64

At least one of the boys responded well to the programme. Such a shame about the other one, but he may well have been the ringleader in the first place.

Tthe fascinating thing about this case, Iam64 is that the boy who cooperated and came out so well is the one that was from the most severely disfunctional family. The second boy, who had problems at home, mainly, I think because he had a disabled sibling, and was easily led, is the one that has been recalled several times. and is currently back behind bars.

Not all immigrants are non white there are immigrants of all shades. Not allimmigtabts are criminals. Not all immigrants are LEGAL. That's the major problem when people arrive in any control illegally eith no form of identity so no wat to know I they are criminals or not. I'm all for immigrants and true asylum seekers bring integrated into our society but not trying to integrate us into theirs in our country.

Sorry about the fat fingers I'm just so cross about the whole unfairness of the immigrants situation. I'm not racist just concerned about the over use of the racist card for no reason.

maggsMcG I must have missed something here where has immigration come into it ??? We don’t know who the children were do we maybe I m behind in the news but as the 14 year old hasn’t been identified we have no idea who he is have we ?

Iam64

I appreciate the way you describe the factors contributing to a form of nihilism in adults and children MOnica. It isn’t only poverty in its financial sense, its poverty of ideas, of the ability to recognise the things that lead to better lives.

I remember one 18 year old mum saying ‘what’s the point, she can’t talk yet” when I was encouraging her to make eye contact and sing a nursery rhyme to her 8month old baby. Poverty of aspiration, ignorance of the joy in small things.

I agrée Iam64 and MOnica - I think ‘a form of nihilism’ and despair are what lie beneath what looks like entitlement and disrespect for others. It is very hard to shift or work with and I think can only be changed by long term consistent support and work in communities. My daughter (adopted as an older child) is like this and is on the brink of losing 4 out of her 6 chikdren to the care system. It feels like nothing I can say or do can make any impression on her huge shame and despair and conviction that there is no point in trying to do better - hope is unbearable and impossible for her and I think we can see 5e same collectively in many of our most deprived and abandoned communities.

I don't know if there is a connection with immigration for this story ?

I can agree that it's a complex situation for the migrants and that immigration is a real problem , but I don't know what background the boy killer has? (not that skin colour should make a difference, punishment and re-education is needed whatever nationality)

00opsidia

I don't know if there is a connection with immigration for this story ?

I can agree that it's a complex situation for the migrants and that immigration is a real problem , but I don't know what background the boy killer has? (not that skin colour should make a difference, punishment and re-education is needed whatever nationality)

The victim was of Indian origin, I think, whether or not he was born here I don't know. Perhaps that was was meant.

He had run a successful business and spent his retirement enjoying his allotment and loved by his family.

A tragic end to the life of a good citizen. It makes me weep with anger that his life should have been ended so casually and horrifically.

Immigration should have NO mention on this page
we have NO idea who this child is

Allira

00opsidia

I don't know if there is a connection with immigration for this story ?

I can agree that it's a complex situation for the migrants and that immigration is a real problem , but I don't know what background the boy killer has? (not that skin colour should make a difference, punishment and re-education is needed whatever nationality)

The victim was of Indian origin, I think, whether or not he was born here I don't know. Perhaps that was was meant.

He had run a successful business and spent his retirement enjoying his allotment and loved by his family.

A tragic end to the life of a good citizen. It makes me weep with anger that his life should have been ended so casually and horrifically.

I know that, I thought OP was talking about the criminal? It's horrific and terrible.

I agree that imigration is not relevant re the murdererer, they should have the same punishment whatever their immigration status. Probably one of our home grown crims imho

We don't know the motive for the attack or if it was just senseless.

I was really upset by this news .
Poor man .
It's not that long ago that a Goth girl was kicked to death in a park for looking different .

BlueBelle

Immigration should have NO mention on this page
we have NO idea who this child is

I agree with you @Bluebelle.

That's so sad @Allira

I remember seeing it on the news @Esmay terribly sad.