PM accepted £20,000 so his boy could study

Perhaps if Starmer had not accepted all the other freebies - this would be a bit of a non-story?

foxie48

Surely we all do lots of things, which potentially have a monetary value, for our friends. We have a self contained granny flat which has been empty since Mil died which I've lent to friends foc on several occasions. I've got the OH of a friend living there ATM whilst they are sorting their marriage out, I don't want money from them, I just want to help them. These comments about Lord Alli makes me wonder about people's attitudes to "friendship" especially when it's said that he must expect something in return. Does everyone expect "something in return" when they help a friend because I don't! Lord Alli has been a supporter of the LP for over 30 years, he's close friends with Starmer and others, he's very active in fund raising for the party tbh it seems quite natural to me that he would offer somewhere out of the media glare for Starmer's family to be, regardless of exams or not. It's what friend's do if they can.

How many people not in Government or on official government business have a pass to No 10 Downing Street?
🤔

I can't see why it is a big deal. We used to have a holiday place on the coast, more than once we've lent it to a friend who needed a break. Lord Ali just has posher places than we do.

MissAdventure

Oh...
That is a recurring nightmare for me.
Being asked to look after Fluffy and Tiddles while someone is away, and finding out, once I'm in the house with them, that they are lions.

Worse still is looking after someone's cat when they away on holiday and the worst happens.
One dead moggy to dispose of.

This makes quite interesting reading.

Donations per se for the GE are pretty much equal for the two main parties.

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/media-centre/political-parties-accept-ps22m-donations-first-quarter-2024

Quote Allira Thu 26-Sep-24 10:42:44
MissAdventure
Oh...
That is a recurring nightmare for me.
Being asked to look after Fluffy and Tiddles while someone is away, and finding out, once I'm in the house with them, that they are lions.
Worse still is looking after someone's cat when they away on holiday and the worst happens.
One dead moggy to dispose of.

Worse still, looking after the pet hamster of your daughter class
room for school holidays, hamster dies, cannot be replaced
because he is a three legged hamster

Allira

If you’re referring to Lord Alli, he had a temporary pass, now no longer has it and it appears it’s not that unusual.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86l7xqzze8o.amp

Annie

"Worse still, looking after the pet hamster of your daughter class
room for school holidays, hamster dies, cannot be replaced
because he is a three legged hamster"

That has absolutely made my day!!!!!!

"How many people not in Government or on official government business have a pass to No 10 Downing Street?"

We have absolutely no idea how many people over the years have been given a temporary pass. We do know Lord Alli had one (authorised by Sue Gray) as he was organising an event to thank LP donors for their donations and it had been returned weeks ago, there is absolutely no evidence the temporary pass was in any way linked to his generosity to Starmer or others.

MissAdventure

Annie

"Worse still, looking after the pet hamster of your daughter class
room for school holidays, hamster dies, cannot be replaced
because he is a three legged hamster"

That has absolutely made my day!!!!!!

Mine too, thought it reminded me of a primary childhood friend who brought home three school gerbils for the summer, their (not very nice) Siamese cat managed to get into their room, open the cage and murder them!

But they did all look the same and all had four legs so Mum replaced them!

foxie48

"How many people not in Government or on official government business have a pass to No 10 Downing Street?"

We have absolutely no idea how many people over the years have been given a temporary pass. We do know Lord Alli had one (authorised by Sue Gray) as he was organising an event to thank LP donors for their donations and it had been returned weeks ago, there is absolutely no evidence the temporary pass was in any way linked to his generosity to Starmer or others.

👏👏👏👏👏

I dread to think who may or may not had had passes during BJ dubious reign!

Cossy

foxie48

"How many people not in Government or on official government business have a pass to No 10 Downing Street?"

We have absolutely no idea how many people over the years have been given a temporary pass. We do know Lord Alli had one (authorised by Sue Gray) as he was organising an event to thank LP donors for their donations and it had been returned weeks ago, there is absolutely no evidence the temporary pass was in any way linked to his generosity to Starmer or others.

👏👏👏👏👏

I dread to think who may or may not had had passes during BJ dubious reign!

It's impossible to know, this sort of information comes into the public domain via leaks. As far as I am concerned the issue is was Sue Gray entitled to give Lord Alli a temporary pass? If she was that's the end of the story, if she wasn't then what sanction is there.

Anniebach

Quote Allira Thu 26-Sep-24 10:42:44
MissAdventure
Oh...
That is a recurring nightmare for me.
Being asked to look after Fluffy and Tiddles while someone is away, and finding out, once I'm in the house with them, that they are lions.
Worse still is looking after someone's cat when they away on holiday and the worst happens.
One dead moggy to dispose of.

Worse still, looking after the pet hamster of your daughter class
room for school holidays, hamster dies, cannot be replaced
because he is a three legged hamster

😁

Did you not know that hamsters are related to salamanders and their legs miraculously regrow?

He wasn't. His son (Starmer) studied in said house and the value that was put on that was £20K, which seems arbitrary but ........ In effect a person let another person's son use his accommodation so the son could study as home was too noisy. I am not trying to defend Starmer but is this really a story?

oops wrong topic

If it’s not unusual to give passes to people for number 10, temporarily or otherwise, it raises issues of security. Well to my mind anyway, so if Lord Alli was already security checked it tends to suggest that he, and possibly others, are in an extremely privileged position. This applies whichever colour of government is in power. It also raises issues of why unelected people are given such privileges and what influence they are exerting over the government. As I said, this applies whichever party is in power, and perhaps it’s a good thing that a light is now being shone on it.

maddyfour

If it’s not unusual to give passes to people for number 10, temporarily or otherwise, it raises issues of security. Well to my mind anyway, so if Lord Alli was already security checked it tends to suggest that he, and possibly others, are in an extremely privileged position. This applies whichever colour of government is in power. It also raises issues of why unelected people are given such privileges and what influence they are exerting over the government. As I said, this applies whichever party is in power, and perhaps it’s a good thing that a light is now being shone on it.

That brought to mind Carole Caplin although having access to the PM's home is rather different from access to the business part of No 10.

I could do with seeing her myself (GP not a bit interested).

foxie48

"How many people not in Government or on official government business have a pass to No 10 Downing Street?"

We have absolutely no idea how many people over the years have been given a temporary pass. We do know Lord Alli had one (authorised by Sue Gray) as he was organising an event to thank LP donors for their donations and it had been returned weeks ago, there is absolutely no evidence the temporary pass was in any way linked to his generosity to Starmer or others.

This unfortunately smacks of cronyism and no doubt both parties misuse use these facilities, although I’ve never heard of this before. Parties to thank political donors and party workers do not need to take place in number 10. There are plenty of other places available where political ‘thank you’ parties can be held. It is unnecessary to use number 10 for this purpose, whichever party is in power.

maddyfour

foxie48

"How many people not in Government or on official government business have a pass to No 10 Downing Street?"

We have absolutely no idea how many people over the years have been given a temporary pass. We do know Lord Alli had one (authorised by Sue Gray) as he was organising an event to thank LP donors for their donations and it had been returned weeks ago, there is absolutely no evidence the temporary pass was in any way linked to his generosity to Starmer or others.

This unfortunately smacks of cronyism and no doubt both parties misuse use these facilities, although I’ve never heard of this before. Parties to thank political donors and party workers do not need to take place in number 10. There are plenty of other places available where political ‘thank you’ parties can be held. It is unnecessary to use number 10 for this purpose, whichever party is in power.

There's Chequers for a start

Did you not know that hamsters are related to salamanders and their legs miraculously regrow?

No I didn’t know Allira thank you

Actually... www.ft.com/content/0c99a9b0-59c6-49be-9faf-194bd981b62c

Keir Starmer accepted £76,000 of freebies including tickets to over 20 football games
Commons register of interests shows Labour leader’s declarations in last parliament spanned concerts to clothing

Yes, so he still has 12,000 odd to go before reaching Boris' level.

I voted Labour hoping that it was the party for ordinary working people but unfortunately it hasn’t taken long for all the corrupt actions to come to the surface, is there any political party that is clean of these ideas of being in it for what they can get out of it
I understand that it was hard for his son to study in that environment but couldn’t he go around his grans to do it like most kids would

Anniebach

Quote Allira Thu 26-Sep-24 10:42:44
MissAdventure
Oh...
That is a recurring nightmare for me.
Being asked to look after Fluffy and Tiddles while someone is away, and finding out, once I'm in the house with them, that they are lions.
Worse still is looking after someone's cat when they away on holiday and the worst happens.
One dead moggy to dispose of.

Worse still, looking after the pet hamster of your daughter class
room for school holidays, hamster dies, cannot be replaced
because he is a three legged hamster

Worse still, looking after the pet hamster of your daughter class room for school holidays, hamster dies, cannot be replaced because he is a three legged hamster

... there's a solution to that problem, but it's not very nice...