This scares me about Putin.

fgt2 what happens when more people sign the petition for a reelection than actually voted for this government? Where’s democracy then?

Are there really nearly 400000 deluded people in the UK that believe a new GE is going to happen?

We are preparing. Larder full of dried/tinned goods, water etc. Torches, candles, matches etc. Stocked up on wood/coal.

No idea ronib!

410,439 signatures

David49 it’s supposed to be a wake up call and who thinks it will stop at 400000 signatures?

We can’t prep store chemotherapy.

428,458 signatures

Blimey.
If nothing else it’s sending a message to Labour that many are restless.

Seems to me this thread isn't about Putin at all, since its been deliberately segued into another opportunity for Labour/NATO bashing instead of a discussion on cyber warfare

NATO policy on Russia and the Ukraine was an all party supported move when it all started up - NATO on Tuesday

Keir Starmer has upped the stakes by allowing Ukraine to use Uk supplied weapons against Russia. This is the most recent miscalculation by a government which is clearly not up to the job.

It is about Putin/cyber attacks for me Wyllow3. NHS malware attack could affect accessibility for treatment for my husband so it’s of paramount importance to me.

I was just accommodating the meandering of the thread, which often happens on threads as you must know.

454,722 signatures

Nearly half a million in the space of a morning.
Very fast moving.
Could the Russian bots be on it already? 🤣

Petition Committee Member
6 Labour
2 Lib Dems
1 Conservative

Quite frankly cyber security is probably the only area which works well in the Uk. Stop scare mongering.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

428,458 signatures

Blimey.
If nothing else it’s sending a message to Labour that many are restless.

Nothing to do with title- huge numbers have been 'restless for 14 years before that, and since Brexit.

Me ronib?
I’m just glad you’ve reassured me. Thank you.

Putin is threatening all kinds of things including hints of nuclear as discussed at great length other thread!

NATO has supported recent moves by mainly by Biden and smaller from UK, France involved too

'https://www.newsweek.com/nato-ukraine-missiles-joe-biden-1988037"

"The move was met with praise from European NATO leaders, who are some of the largest backers of Ukraine in the conflict with Russia. French President Emmanuel Macron said the allowance was a "good decision", telling reporters at the G20 summit that Russia was responsible for the escalation."

Now I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing since I dont feel I know enough, but the moves were a response to increased aggression by Putin.

NATO has tough decisions ahead since us in the UK and NATO as a whole decided to stand up to Russia.

Wyllow3 NATO needs to rethink urgently. I don’t think Ukraine is worth World War 3. End of ….

It’s okay to have more than one thread on a topic Wyllow3. If posters aren’t keen to contribute it will wither on the vine.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

It’s okay to have more than one thread on a topic Wyllow3. If posters aren’t keen to contribute it will wither on the vine.

Not disputing that, indeed I've just added to it.

496,419 signatures

This thread is a BOYOF. 🤣 2 threads in one!

ronib

keepingquiet I think Putin is the only world leader with a clear aim to protect Russia against NATO aggression. NATO has poked the bear long enough and we may now pay the price.
Have you heard of deranged girl friend theory? It fits the bill perfectly.

I think we gifted him with Brexit really. He saw it is the weakness it was and felt it was his chance to further weaken Europe. There had always been tension between Europe and Russia, and Russia and Ukraine.

Putin is yesterday's politician and Ukraine was supposed to be his swan song but he could never realistically have taken Kiev. It was posturing and making a legacy on his part.

He seriously underestimated the strength of the Ukraine people, and of NATO and the 'vulnerable' countries on the fringe of Russia.

I have never heard of the deranged girl friend thing, or the supposed NATO aggression against Russia. Ukraine got rid of its nuclear weapons, is that what you mean?

The only people to have paid a price have been the people of Ukraine, and a terrible price it has been. Meanwhile Putin sits in his palace clinging to a crown that has never really fitted him. His head was always too big.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

We can’t prep store chemotherapy.

True and would be devasting for many people. I know only to well as I have incurable cancet

The deranged girl friend term refers to a situation where one drunken girl will do exactly what they want and expect her sober boyfriend/partner to pick up the slack and save her from the consequences of her actions. Or so I understand it. First time I heard about it today. Seems to fit the Uk now?

Exactly what she wants….

I can remember a petition topping over 3million that objected to the way Brexit was going - but they were told to shut up and ignored.

Reason?

Democracy apparently. Who’d have thought?