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Gisèlle Pelicot - the case is tearing French society apart.

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CariadAgain Sat 07-Dec-24 12:44:26

They should indeed be punished. Blow their little sexual fantasies about a submissive woman (so darn "submissive" apparently that it doesn't count in their tiny minds she was asleep).

What that awful man did is going to reverberate for some time yet. I must admit that if I were a local woman in that area any man I was involved with (in whatever way - even just as a friend) would be subject to cross-questioning to "prove he wasnt anything like that". I'd be surprised if many women in that area will trust men ever again - even if they've never been attacked personally like that.

That is one brave woman going through a court case like that so publicly - as she walks in each day with her well-cut hair, elegant clothes and her head held high. Fingers crossed she's at least been able to cure the illnesses these brutes passed onto her - so at least she won't be stuck with that legacy of what happened to her.

Rosie51 Sat 07-Dec-24 12:42:43

Of course they're sexual abusers. The woman was unconscious, unresponsive. Every one of these men is a disgrace to the human race. I agree 100% Maggiemaybe. If I was married to any of them I'd be filing for divorce, and if I was the child of one I'd be cutting him out of my life absolutely.

HousePlantQueen Sat 07-Dec-24 12:42:15

What a frightening read that is FGT. It is the sheer ordinariness of the rapists, men who can go to their neighbours house, rape his wife, then just go about their business, business which may in likelihood involve meeting their victim as she too goes about her daily life. Too many think of rapists as monsters who jump out of bushes, scary strangers, whereas they are statistically more likely to be known to the victim. My frequent use of the word rapist is deliberate, any man who has sexual relations with a woman without her consent is a rapist, even if as in this case, they do so without violence.

Overthemoongran Sat 07-Dec-24 12:36:16

Every week I watch the latest David Attenborough TV series, and, as with all the previous series, there are always males fighting other males to have sex with the females. It would appear that in spite of our ‘sophistication’ and progression as a species, humans are still basically the same as most other animals, the sex drive is still number one on the list of many males priorities and females are the ones to suffer sad.

Kate1949 Sat 07-Dec-24 12:35:19

Whether they are likely to do it again is irrelevant. They should be punished for what they did THIS time.

Maggiemaybe Sat 07-Dec-24 12:31:04

Instead of course of being her home, her room, her bed, her body…

Every one of these men is a disgrace to the human race. One of the most shocking things about the case to me is that not a single one of them thought “this is wrong, I’ll report it”. If just one man approached by Pelicot had done this, the whole horror would have been stopped.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sat 07-Dec-24 12:19:25

From an article in the Sunday Times:

“Since there are 50 in total, the alleged rapists have been tried in batches and I’m just here for the final seven: Boris, Philippe, Nicolas, Nizair, Joseph, Christian, Charly. Plus Dominique Pelicot himself, who invited them all into his marital bedroom, where he had his wife waiting, drugged and naked, and who joined in and filmed it all. Pelicot, 71, crumpled and fat now, but with a residual bulky power, sits sullenly alone with his guard in a separate glass box, protected from the other men who blame and detest him.

Ordinary men in many respects, not vagrants, junkies or career criminals. This week’s seven includes a fireman, an electrician and a journalist; several are fathers, two were keen weightlifters, one bred dogs. French trials helpfully begin with a personality profile formed from interviews with the men, their friends and colleagues. Poverty, domestic violence and mental breakdowns feature, but also that a man is “kind” or “gentle”, had a lovely childhood, adored his grandparents or is devoted to his mum.

But one question overshadows all others. How many men would have done the same? If Pelicot could recruit at least 70 willing participants (a number could not be identified) within a 25-mile radius of Mazan, the Provençal town where the couple retired, how many in the whole of France? As I walk through Avignon with Juliette Campion of radio station France Info, who bears the strain of reporting this case since September, she gestures to a bureau de tabac: “You think, ‘Would a guy in there have raped Gisèle? Or men in the boulangerie or those on the street?’ Women are looking at men differently: they’re asking, ‘Could you or you or you?’ ”

In court, I hear another psychiatrist tasked with assessing whether each of the final seven defendants has the profile of a sexual abuser. One by one, he exonerates the men, saying they are not dangerous or likely to reoffend, to the growing exasperation of Gisèle’s team. Then he reaches Charly A. “He doesn’t search [for victims] systematically,” says the psychiatrist. “He’s not a predator.” Finally, Babonneau explodes: “Six times with a sleeping woman and he’s not a sexual abuser?” The men do not identify as rapists because, like this psychiatrist, they define rape as frenzied sexual violence, not an opportunistic act performed to whispers in a private home. As one defendant put it, “It’s her husband, his house, his room, his bed, his wife.”