Anyone else a bit baffled about the Gisele Pelicot case?

Indeed, Allira - none of those participating in this in any way can have any self-respect. And all for money and internet 'fame'...

Baggs

You'll be even more baffled by the Lily Fisher story.

Lily Phillips? It's not in the least similar to the Pelicot rapes. Phillips consented to having sex with 101 men in a day. Gisele Pelicot was drugged, raped and abused for a decade.

No, the two aren't in any way comparable, but anyone who has seen even a clip about Lily Phillips can see the effect it had on her. She may have consented, but she's part of a much larger enterprise - and it does raise questions about the whole Only Fans/social media sex work thing and the knock-on effect it is having on whole generations of young people.

OldFrill

Baggs

You'll be even more baffled by the Lily Fisher story.

Lily Phillips? It's not in the least similar to the Pelicot rapes. Phillips consented to having sex with 101 men in a day. Gisele Pelicot was drugged, raped and abused for a decade.

I think you missed the point, oldfrill. Campared with the Lily Fisher story, the Gisele Pelicot is quite simple in my view.

Lily Fisher had "agency". Gisele Pelicot did not.

I was not talking about 'similarity'.

Or, to put it more simply: Fisher chose to do what she did; Pelicot did not.

In fact, Gisele Pelicot didn't do anything!

She was, essentially, tortured. And had she had a choice she would have opted out.

Fisher may have been tortured in effect (God! I pity her!) but it was her own fault.

Phillips, not Fisher.

Poppyred

Did she really have no idea that she was being drugged? Surely she had some suspicions?
Strong barbiturates have side effects don’t they?

Why would anyone in an otherwise loving and supportive marriage of decades ever come to the conclusion that a husband could suddenly change that much? Side effects are simply symptoms and of course she would look for a medical answer, one that doctors even failed to find. Be careful how you phrase your curiosity, women are victimised and victim blamed all too often in society.

Thanks, MissInt.

This is a truly shocking case and extensively reported upon world wide.

I'm sorry to be blunt OP, but I don't understand why you're baffled by it? And suggesting that somehow she must have been suspicious and is somehow to blame.

Perhaps you should read the reports carefully and thoroughly before posting.

I knew eventually someone would raise the "surely she must have had suspicions" type question.

As her son said, "how can you imagine the unimaginable?"

If you read the full story, you will get the full picture - and that question is answered.

Exactly Dickens - and she did of course wonder what on earth was going on with her body (and mind) and why she was so tired all the time.

Nobody suspected she was being medicated to oblivion.

The only baffling thing about this case to me is that these men thought it was perfectly ok to go and rape a comatose older woman and that her husband of many years, father of her children, orchestrated the whole thing.

It is beyond comprehension.

ferry23

This is a truly shocking case and extensively reported upon world wide.

I'm sorry to be blunt OP, but I don't understand why you're baffled by it? And suggesting that somehow she must have been suspicious and is somehow to blame.

Perhaps you should read the reports carefully and thoroughly before posting.

I did not at all suggest that she was to blame?? Just genuinely baffled as to why she had no idea what was going on, but she was genuinely concerned and I wasn’t aware of that.

Would you notice if you were drugged then raped ?
Not necessarily - why would you think that your husband was capable of doing such a thing ?
It's a shame that no blood tests nor vaginal /anal examinations were done .
I can't understand the mentality of the men who raped her .

Lots of the things that are going on with me are similar to her symptoms.
It would never, in a million year occur to me that I'm being systematically drugged, and shared around with men to abuse.

Poppyred upthread there is a link to quite a full article about the situation, posted by Jaxjacky
I think it would help you to see what was going on.

There is another good article in the Guardian -link up above - which i think was posted by someone else.

Esmay

Would you notice if you were drugged then raped ?
Not necessarily - why would you think that your husband was capable of doing such a thing ?
It's a shame that no blood tests nor vaginal /anal examinations were done .
I can't understand the mentality of the men who raped her .

She was diagnosed with STD's but the implication from her husband was she have been unfaithful (which she had many years earlier).

Baggs

OldFrill

Baggs

You'll be even more baffled by the Lily Fisher story.

Lily Phillips? It's not in the least similar to the Pelicot rapes. Phillips consented to having sex with 101 men in a day. Gisele Pelicot was drugged, raped and abused for a decade.

I think you missed the point, oldfrill. Campared with the Lily Fisher story, the Gisele Pelicot is quite simple in my view.

Lily Fisher had "agency". Gisele Pelicot did not.

I was not talking about 'similarity'.

Is it Lily Phillips or Lily Fisher? Sorry if I've missed the point I'm now not entirely sure who you are referring to 😕

"I want the world to stop" in the
words from the Belle & Sebastian song!!!
What is wrong with people today, do they have no self-respect??
My gast has been flabbered by the dreadful thing's I've just read, regarding the immoral dreadful women & their disgusting shenanigans! .
They have no connection at all to the tragic case of the poor abused French lady. 😡🤬🤬🤬 🤬🤬🤬

Anyway, by posting on the thread l assumed you thought there were similarities. Maybe Lily should have a thread of her own.

The choicey choice feminism sets my teeth on edge.
I view the lily Philips case with horror, the damage done to her is unspeakable. And I would be astounded if there isnt a 'history' there.
Only fans should be banned, it profits from the abuse of women.

I would actually say there are links.
Porn being one of them.

OldFrill

Baggs

OldFrill

Baggs

You'll be even more baffled by the Lily Fisher story.

Lily Phillips? It's not in the least similar to the Pelicot rapes. Phillips consented to having sex with 101 men in a day. Gisele Pelicot was drugged, raped and abused for a decade.

I think you missed the point, oldfrill. Campared with the Lily Fisher story, the Gisele Pelicot is quite simple in my view.

Lily Fisher had "agency". Gisele Pelicot did not.

I was not talking about 'similarity'.

Is it Lily Phillips or Lily Fisher? Sorry if I've missed the point I'm now not entirely sure who you are referring to 😕

Phillips. I got the name wrong earlier, but MissInterpreted told me the correct name.