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Luckygirl3 Tue 17-Dec-24 12:54:31

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/grandparents/sick-of-looking-after-my-grandchild/

This popped up on my phone today. I was able to read it on there but not on my laptop so don't know if people will be able to access it.

Amsg Wed 18-Dec-24 14:38:45

We have 2 GC, our son's son who is in Boston US aged nearly 2 and our daughter's daughter who is nearly 1 and lives 25mins drive away. We are in our 70's and fortunately fit and healthy since we have looked after the yougest 2 days a week since she was 3 months old My friends all think I am mad but we make it work due to unbendable rules.
1) I couldn't do it on my own, DH is on hand to do the back up
2) We have her at our house so we can fit the childcare in around our other activities/chores
3) We agree holiday cover well in advance
4) We only step in for additional cover in real extremis
5) We all agree on a routine that is also followed by the nursery she attends for the other 3 weekdays
This role is a priviledge, I am so pleased that GD is getting to know us so well, I never had this close a relationship myself and nor did my children. The only drawback is the rivalry that is exhibited with our DS and DiL who feel they are not getting the same offer. Consequently when they are in the UK we have our GS on his own all week which happens 3 times a year and is rather more exhausting although it is lovely that he knows and trusts us too. We each make time for other activities to keep us healthy in mind and body and long may it be so.

sarahcyn Wed 18-Dec-24 14:40:24

I do not believe the person in the Telegraph story is real; most likely she’s a composite of anecdotes, quite possibly sneaked from Gransnet.
If she’s real, she is an utter drip and should stand up for herself.

theworriedwell Wed 18-Dec-24 14:48:01

I've been doing it for years. Eight Dgc with some of them adults now and some babies and some in the middle. Never resented a minute of it. When DGS got home from uni and came straight round for a visit and turned down a night out with mates on Saturday to have a sleepover at granny's and the little one puts his arms round my neck I know it is a great privilege.

Oldnproud Wed 18-Dec-24 14:51:42

Parenthood doesnt always turn out to be what one imagined. Not everyone enjoys looking after their own children when reality hits home. While some parents might have loved every minute, others will have found at least some stages of extremely difficult, and some (who knows how many!) will have just hung on in there longing for those children to grow up and become independent.

I would hazard a guess that those parents who didn't enjoy it are quite reasonably not going to want to play a large part in caring for future grandchildren, and even less so if they are being dictated to about what they must / mustn't do!

Great for those who want to do it, but it is unreasonable to expect that all grandparents should feel the same.

Personally, I fall somewhere in the middle, though I do a reasonable amount of care for my younger dc.

Hithere Wed 18-Dec-24 15:12:58

I read the article

Grandparents need to learn to say no

The grandmother in the article is resentful the gc is not raised in a way the grandmother approves (no sugar, limited screens, planned activities, etc) instead of the grandma making the plans

The grandma does not understand coordinating vacations or how if she gets late to babysitting, how it impacts the work of the parents

Overall - not a good arrangement

Parents will learn to cope some other ways

Musicgirl Wed 18-Dec-24 15:48:11

madeleine45

I was born in 1945 and somehow friends of my generation seem to have rather drawn the short straw. Still rationing definitley sweets til about 1953 , and many other things. We lived in Yorkshire and walked 3/4mile to school for infants and juniors, and then about half a mile to railway station and a journey to the grammar school, and another half mile at the other end to walk , come hail come shine. As teenagers then , we were expected do our share of jobs, go and get shopping etc , with a very small amount of pocket money. No telling the adults what you would and wouldnt do. Then an adult , married and saving and working hard to get
started with a home. Happy to have second hand furniture until we could save to have what we would like. Then with a family but not living anywhere near relatives , only sorted any childcare with friends and share and share alike. Then later the mortgage went up to 15% and our careful budget was wrecked and we scrimped and saved to keep going. As all parents we did without to bring up the family , and by the time they were teenagers they had far more opportunities than we had had. Then they moved away and we helped where we could to set them up. The grandchildren come along and we are delighted to see them but now it is not the pleasure of them coming to stay for a few days or you taking them out as it fitted in with the family. If we are anywhere near our children we are having to make serious commitments to childcare, whether that is being part of the actual after school care each week, or ferrying them to and fro, or having to cancel our plans to look after a sick child as their parents cant have sudden time off from work etc.
One of my oldest friends and I had plans to see much more of each other when we retired. Due to her son being on a two year course in the south east - which will be beneficial in the long run - She and the other grandmother are taking week and week about travelling down to stay and look after the children, because child care is so expensive there. Of course we want to help our families and do our best but at the age of 79 we have managed a couple of lunchs together meeting in the middle, but havent even been able to have a couple of days b and b , never mind having a week together. We also of course were the Waspi women, where our carefully planned retirement was ruined by the retiring date going up and up and again all your sensible planning came to nothing. I have had some great times and love my family as do all my friends , but now we are seen as the oldies who are getting all the houses or hospital beds etc etc, with no acknowledgment of our hard work and efforts for the community. So watch out for the pink pigs flying overhead. Let me know wont you as that will be the day I will feel well, have the time and money to go out and have a good day with my friend!! If there is reincarnation I am definitely coming back a as a cat!!!

On MN, they are always complaining about "entitled boomers." They should read your post.

Buttonjugs Wed 18-Dec-24 15:55:54

Surprised people look after GC when they’re ill. I am furious if mine come anywhere near me when they’re ill because I will catch it and be very unwell. Last year I caught a cold from one of them and ended up with pneumonia. The Christmas before last my son (autistic adult) didn’t have Christmas because we were sick with Norovirus for two weeks.

Missiseff Wed 18-Dec-24 15:57:07

I'd love to do it

Skydancer Wed 18-Dec-24 15:59:35

I looked after my GS from a baby. He is now a teenager. It was the happiest time I have ever known and I would love to do it all again. We are still close and I adore him. Though I say so myself, he is now a decent, thoughtful and polite young man. (Of course I'm totally biased).

traveller61 Wed 18-Dec-24 16:08:06

Crikey, 3 times a week, I’d be exhausted. I look after my 1 year old grandson once a week all day. Don’t get me wrong I love it but it is tiring the older I get, I’m ’only’ 63, work 2 days a week and plan my other 2 days of the week to myself. Plus the weekend spent with DH, occasionally have looked after GS overnight or occasional whole weekend but then there’s 2 of us to look after him.

Redcar Wed 18-Dec-24 16:24:12

grandma so sorry for your loss.
We used to drive from mid Essex to south east London one day a week to look after our first granddaughter and the another day to east London to look after granddaughter number 2. We were then in our late sixties/early seventies. The journeys took over an hour each way. This had to stop when Covid struck.
We resumed the child care once the lockdown ended. Since the my DH has died, both daughters have moved back to Essex and I help out with school runs and dog minding when I can, I’m happy to do it, but as I’m now disabled I can’t do as much as I’d like.
Both DDs help me with things I can’t do for myself & drive me to hospital appointments etc.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 18-Dec-24 16:38:06

Buttonjugs

Surprised people look after GC when they’re ill. I am furious if mine come anywhere near me when they’re ill because I will catch it and be very unwell. Last year I caught a cold from one of them and ended up with pneumonia. The Christmas before last my son (autistic adult) didn’t have Christmas because we were sick with Norovirus for two weeks.

As I see four of them nearly everyday, I could catch whatever bugs they are cultivating anytime.

Business’s are not overly sympathetic when a parent wants to stay home to look after a sick child.

I had no family here to help with my children, I know first hand how hard it is to raise a family and work, which is why I do whatever I can.

suelld Wed 18-Dec-24 16:46:54

I’m nearly 79 .I married a little later in life in my early 30s …I had 2 sons within 4 years of marrying .
My husbands parents were in their late 80s living far away and my own similar. I had NO grandparent help ever!
My mother and Aunt ( who lived with mum and dad) did come down to help once when I was in hospital having my second child… but after a few days they arrived at the hospital and said “we’re going home…we can’t stand him…” - my then husband had criticised everything they did from my aunts cooking to mum helping with my eldest… !
I divorced him after 8 years of abuse and was on my own with my sons.
I was very lucky to have a great friend who would help when I had to go away to work, but otherwise… NO Grandparents per se! I read all these tales of help with envy!

suelld Wed 18-Dec-24 16:54:12

Oh, and PS: My own grandchildren ( 10 and 7 ) live in Japan since birth so I have only seen them physically about 4 times in person. Tho obviously we keep in touch via FaceTime etc. At my age I can’t travel any longer due to health issues, and I’m still running a part time business from home.
My other son at 43 is steadfastly unmarried and living about a 5 hour drive away.

Emeraldforest Wed 18-Dec-24 17:39:18

I'm the only grandparent for all my grandchildren and love them all very much. They don't live near me so I can't be much help with childcare though I do what I can and will always help in an emergency. I'm mid 70s now and still have to work , I get very tired. I have an adult daughter living with me who needs a lot of support. I do feel a bit inadequate sometimes.

pinkprincess Wed 18-Dec-24 19:59:53

I was denied all access to some of my grandchildren after my son's first marriage broke up.No fault of mine but it broke my heart.
We eventually got regular contact again, but it was a warning to me to never take your grandchildren for granted, you may never see them again.

crazyH Wed 18-Dec-24 20:05:00

grandma2002 - so sorry flowers

Cateq Wed 18-Dec-24 20:42:19

I’m more than happy to look after our 2 GDs a few days a week. I believe I’m paying it forward as my DMiL looked after my kids when they were young. My own DGM looked after me, my brothers and 2 cousins as both my DM and my Aunt were both widowed at a young age.

Cateq Wed 18-Dec-24 20:44:03

My own DM didn’t live long enough to see any of her 9 GCs or her 6 great gcs. So why I’m glad to have the opportunity to spend time with them

Tanjamaltija Wed 18-Dec-24 21:18:54

I’m sick of looking after my grandchild’
More than half of UK grandparents help with childcare, but not all of them feel appreciated – and some are burnt out.

A rising number of grandparents in the UK are being roped in to help with childcare
Reading the WhatsApp message that popped through on her phone, Linda* felt her hackles rise. “Please don’t give her those fruit-flavoured yogurts you buy,” it read. “They’re full of sugar. Please limit her screen time to 30 minutes max per day, and that includes iPad and TV. Ideally get her out in the morning, so she can have some (screen-free) downtime in the afternoon. Things like fish fingers and pesto pasta are fairly processed and salty, so avoid if possible. We like her to eat meals cooked from scratch ideally.”

Linda isn’t a nanny, nor a childminder. She’s a 66-year-old former teacher, who has spent a career in the classroom and raised three healthy and successful children of her own. “The way my daughter-in-law speaks to me, however, you’d think I didn’t have a clue how to care for a child.”

The child in question is Linda’s three-year-old granddaughter who she started looking after three days a week when her son and his wife left London and moved back to his home town last December. Making Linda part of the “grandparent economy” – the army of UK grandparents who provide free childcare, saving their adult children a small fortune in the process. Studies show this ramps up during the summer and Christmas holidays. “As well as childcare, I’m often called upon to babysit in the evening if they’re meeting friends or if they have a work party, especially around Christmas time,” says Linda. “Local babysitters charge around £10 an hour, so it makes sense I guess.”

New data from the financial services company SunLife found that 59 per cent of UK grandparents help with childcare, a rise from 52 per cent in 2023, saving their children an average of £13,500 per year.

The UK has the second most expensive childcare system, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), with a full-time nursery place for an under-two coming in at £300 per week on average. Meanwhile, the recent increases to the employers’ National Insurance rate and wage rises mean that many nurseries and pre-schools face potential closure, according to the Early Years Alliance.

Grandparents like Linda are expected to pick up the pieces. “When my son announced they were having a baby in 2020 I was thrilled, and when they decided to move out of London last year, even more so,” she says. “They were paying a fortune for their nursery in London, and so I offered to help take care of my granddaughter, who up until then I only saw on occasional weekends or family get-togethers. My husband has a few health issues and he’s less mobile than me. I’ve always been fit and active, and I like keeping busy, so initially I was happy to do it. However, I soon found myself committing to two, and then three days a week of all-day childcare.”

On those days, Linda is expected to arrive at her son and daughter-in-law’s at 8am sharp. “I overslept once and arrived 15 minutes late. My daughter-in-law tried to be polite, but you could tell she was annoyed. My son called me later that evening to tell me I made her late for work. However, they sometimes call to say they’re going to be late home, and I don’t say a thing.”

Linda’s days are spent at local play groups, feeding, tidying and making sure nap time runs like clockwork, before getting her granddaughter bathed and ready for bed for 7pm when the couple arrive home from work. She estimates she spends about £100 a month on petrol costs, lunches out, playgroups (where you still pay in cash) and hot chocolates. “I don’t mind, of course, and I’d never expect my son to reimburse me. But I would appreciate a bunch of flowers now and then, or to be treated to a nice meal out. I also get very tired. I arrive home at around 7.30pm after a day spent with my granddaughter, and I’m exhausted.

“They’re far more caught up in rules than my husband and I ever were. Everything is so structured. My granddaughter can’t have sugar, and goes to various ballet, dance and music classes, when I’d much rather take her to feed the ducks or just cuddle up at home in front of a cartoon. But screens are limited, and sugar is banned. Which is all very well, and comes with good intentions, but the fact is I’m saving them a fortune in nursery fees, so you’d think they’d let it go. I’m starting to feel very resentful and some days I want to tell them I’m not doing it anymore. But then I see how hard they both work, how stressed they are about their mortgage, and how desperately they want another baby, and I can’t do it.”

Illo
‘Everything is so structured... I would much rather take my granddaughter to feed the ducks’ Credit: Tom Peake
A second baby would be a much longed for addition to the family, but Linda admits it would also bring other issues: “I’m not sure I could look after a newborn baby and a toddler at my age,” she says. “I’m 67 in February, and I get very tired. Days spent kneeling down on dusty, hard floors in church halls, playing with playdough and finger painting take their toll. I keep working up the courage to tell my son I may have to step back when a new baby arrives, but I haven’t managed it yet.”

Linda has noticed lots of other grandparents at these groups. “We chat among ourselves and many feel like me,” she says. “A few don’t have a bad word to say about the arrangement and love it. But many more feel the way I do. Which is that while we enjoy spending time with our much-loved grandchildren, we sometimes feel put upon and taken for granted. Silly rules about sugar irk us, as do comments about nap times. We’ve raised children before, for God’s sake. We know what we’re doing.”

The SunLife study also found that UK grandparents save parents £1.3 billion a week in childcare costs over school holidays, which is another bone of contention for Linda.

“My granddaughter hasn’t started school yet, so I don’t have to look after her over the six-week school summer holidays. But holidays are another thing I feel resentful about. My son will WhatsApp on our family group to let us know when they’re booking their family holiday. The implication being we should book the same week off, to avoid me not being around for childcare when they return. Things will get easier when she starts school of course, although I imagine I’ll be back at the school gates doing the drop offs and pick-ups three days a week, along with school coffee mornings and God knows what else I’ll be asked to do.

“I know I must sound awful. I love my granddaughter more than anything, and we’ve developed a wonderful bond from spending so much time together. But there are times when I wish I could just be her grandma, not the person telling her off for not sharing at playgroup, or for not eating her greens – another thing her mother reminds me to do.

“But more than anything, I long for my days back. Before my son left London, I spent time in my garden, met friends for lunch and swam twice a week at my local leisure centre. I didn’t realise until it was too late how much those things meant to me – and how good they were for my wellbeing and health. You hear about parental burnout all the time, and how exhausted parents are. But nobody gives much thought to grandparents like me behind the scenes who are providing childcare in their 60s and 70s. We love our grandchildren, but some of us are burnt out too. But we’re too fearful of upsetting our children to say anything.”

Deedaa Wed 18-Dec-24 21:41:49

I looked after DD's two babies from the time they were 6months old, till they went to school, five days a week. DD used to leave notes sometimes, but she was never silly enough to ask if I'd read them. In return she was a great support when her father was ill.

ileea Thu 19-Dec-24 03:51:37

I have 8 soon to be 9 grandchildren. I see most of them on a regular basis also I have 2 of them 24/7 and have had them since day 1. One 14 years and 1 is 5 years-old. I also look after my soon to be 3 year-old gd during the day so her parents can work. They bring her to me. Affordable childcare is very hard to find here.(Canada) My parents helped me and still help on occasion with childcare. I'm 65 but fairly active, I like to think the kids keep me young.
My daughter has let me know what her rules are for my gd, but she also brings over the foods she wants her to eat. They also do other things for me in return for watching her.

I wouldn't change it for anything.

The grandma in the article needs to set some new rules for looking after gc.
If we are going on holiday I let my dd know the dates and she makes arrangements or takes time off.

karmalady Thu 19-Dec-24 06:16:46

I have a wonderful close relationship with my teenage dgc and with my AC and their spouses

I live 25 miles away from the nearest. Prior to having children, both sets of parents discussed fully between themselves, how they would manage childcare and both sets wanted to be active parents so until the children were school age, one parent was at home full time and the other worked extra hours to help with income

One dad chose to be a house husband and he has been/is the most wonderful role model. He went back to work when the youngest started school

Never, at any stage have any of them put upon me nor taken my emergency help forgranted. It has been so very worth it for them, their children respect and love them and all are now heading towards wonderful future careers, having been guided by their parents

My situation has always been the gran, the one who is fun, kind and helpful but never a substitute parent

LinkyPinky Thu 19-Dec-24 06:52:35

I am the same age as you, with similar experiences, but we are not ‘waspi women’. Our pension entitlement was from age 60, and if we deferred it, it increased. Now though, we seem to be on a less advantageous pension scheme than younger people.

Cambsnan Thu 19-Dec-24 07:38:36

I feel privileged that my grandsons partner trusts me to look after their baby at times that suit me. My heart swells when she says, I know he is with someone who loves him.