Are you worried for the future of GB and indeed the world?

www.indiatoday.in/world/uk-news/story/sharia-court-uk-western-capital-islamic-council-rulings-divorce-marriage-national-secular-society-objection-2652954-2024-12-23

Here you are Cariadagain. However it is important to remember this law is only applied within muslim communities and does not affect people who do nto consent to it (except women in some circumstances

While we refer to Sharia 'law' it actually has no legal status in the UK or in UK courts and it would be impossible for someone to use the application of Sharia law as a justification for decisions that run counter to UK law.

love0c you say you experienced Sharia Law in operation “many years ago” in your area. So how much worse has it become since overall in the UK? Or are you talking about a pocket? It’s not apparent to me.

Cariad Not able to divulge anymore.

love0c

Anyone saying Sharia Law is not happening in this country is wrong. I am not saying it happens in 'full' but it does indeed exist. I worked for a housing association many years ago and in the area I worked it did exist. We housed people in areas to get away from Sharia being used on them.

I'd be interested to know more details on that please.

Were the people concerned British or Middle Eastern people with British passports? What sort of things were happening?

After WW2 the Labour government invested heavily into a better country with the creation of the welfare state and building council houses. It made the economy stronger not weaker! So stop blaming immigration and educate yourself.

No it didn't. After the war the USA introduced a scheme known as Marshall Aid, which was loans and grants to war devastated European countries, including Britain, to rebuild their industries and revive their economies, which is what countries like Germany, France, Italy etc did.

In this country the Labour government chose to use thaat money to fund the start up of the NHS. To them it seemed the best investment at the time, but the result was that in the 1950s and 60s, British industry started its slide into oblivion and our productivity compared with other countries got poorer and poorer - and still remains so.

This was because other European countries used the Marshall Aid to build new factories with modern equipment, which meant reduced costs of production and high productivity while out manufacturers were lumbered with old outdated factories and equipment and labour practices that belonged in the 19th century.

Much of the new public sector housing, especially in cities was badly built, had problems from new and are now forming our current slums until such time as they can be demolished.

Labour can be proud of the NHS, but it was the Conservatives that brought in the Education Act. I do agree that we should not blame immigration for anything, since the amjority of immigrants are here quite legally as the result of government(all parties) manpower planning decisions to buy in skilled people from abroad rather than invest in training our own skilled people.

Oreo

I think Monica is right really, there’s always been wars and worry, but years ago without all the modern tech, people were either not aware of much going on in the world or dismissed it as not affecting them.There were also murders and rapes and stranger danger was just as relevant then as now.Abuse within families went on then just as now.
I suppose what’s really changed is the better standard of living and what we expect.Too much mass immigration has affected housing and the NHS so lack of housing both to rent and for sale and lack of medical appointments is down to the population explosion.It adds to the pressure on councils and all they normally do, so broken pavements, potholes and social care are affected.

It's not the mass immigration, less than 4% of the population are immigrants. It's the lack of investment from the government. The austerity from the Tories was never going to work, you need to invest in the economy - speculate to accumulate. Now it seems Labour are doing much the same. After WW2 the Labour government invested heavily into a better country with the creation of the welfare state and building council houses. It made the economy stronger not weaker! So stop blaming immigration and educate yourself.

MissAdventure

It has been around for a long time with regard to property matters, hasn't it?

I'm sure I read years ago that mortgages and such can be dealt with by shariah law.

Home Purchase Plans are available to anyone of course.
The HSBC offers them.

Well that’s a very depressing start to my day, and Christmas 😐

It has been around for a long time with regard to property matters, hasn't it?

I'm sure I read years ago that mortgages and such can be dealt with by shariah law.

Anyone saying Sharia Law is not happening in this country is wrong. I am not saying it happens in 'full' but it does indeed exist. I worked for a housing association many years ago and in the area I worked it did exist. We housed people in areas to get away from Sharia being used on them.

Goodness, yes!
Gone are the days when you could rewire your whole house yourself!

So many jobs are essential for society to run well.

And they'll always need plumbers and electricians.
That's my two boys sorted.

Well said

karmalady

No. My DGC are teenagers and are all aspirational towards professional careers ie medicine, sandhurst, engineering. They are wonderful members of society, kind and caring and there are umpteen thousands like them. Obviously different aspirations but kind, caring, hard working. These young people are the future and they will make their own paths, as most of us did

They sound like my GC & GGC. The future is good if left in their hands.
I remember being frightened over the Cuban missile crisis. I also remember my father ,at the end of WW11 saying that the 3rd world war would start in the Middle East
All we can do is trust to the values we gave to our children.

Tattybluebell - I'm hoping that your grandson, obvs loved & secure at the moment, grows up to a world capable of respecting him for what he is & welcoming his ideas.
But - for all that SNE is much more active than ever before,so that while he is a child he will be supported in some manner - the big world out there at the moment takes no prisoners. Where he could have been a holy savant, or a goat-boy, or a carpenter's mate in other times - where, as an adult will this take him except dependency? That's not his fault & need'nt make him unhappy, given a fairly generous welfare state. But other times & other cultures would have found a niche for him, & in present times, WOKEness acknowledged, once he's an adult it is fairly unforgiving.

I try not to worry about everything too much as my fretting won't change anything and I have my life to live. I do often ponder the natural world and the beautiful animals within it who are being destroyed basically by us humans.
The one thing I do fret about... my little grandson has autism. I just want his life to be happy and for him to be surrounded by happiness and security. I just want the world to understand him and be kind to him.

Yes we are worried about our Grandchildren's future. Global control is a threat and it is very concerning about how AI will be taking more and more jobs away.

I have always worried about the future even as a child in the 50s.

saxongrace - I think what makes me sad about now is , yes, you had a poor childhood & went on to an affluent adult & parenthood. That isn't happening for this generation of young people who've had a poor upbringing.
We had doors opened for us by a "Good Liberal" generation of teachers & significant others who wante a meritocracy, Our parents were poor, but decent & proud working class, on the up.
Since Thatcher there is an underclass which doesn't come from the same place of solidarity, but instead feels ashamed / aggrieved to be the ones who didn't "get on their bikes".They are not inner-city, & they are more likely to be white than racial minorities. & it's not their fault. But for their kids the upward mobility we benefitted from is in 90% of cases, unless they get on some celeb special / football whizz or win the lottery, just not gonna happen.
& the attitude seems to be global now - those who have, keep. Those who don't have, make up something to make it their fault.

Why are you so worried about Sharia Law CountessFosca? I think you’ve been reading the wrong newspapers! One of my daughters married into the Muslim faith over 30 years ago, converting on her marriage. My three wonderful granddaughters all went to university and obtained degrees, two went on to obtain their Masters as did my daughter when the girls were grown. In fact, the only one not attending university was my son-in-law. All three married husbands of their own choosing. My daughter has a wide circle of women friends who are Muslim, many of whom I know. I can’t think of any of these lovely educated women who are being oppressed and held back by this “draconian system” ….

I did worry about the state of the world when my children were young.
I remember the 1st Gulf war being terrifying because it was televised 24/7.
My third baby started nursery on the day we woke up to the news Desert Storm had begun. I was paralysed with fear for my little ones .
However, I then asked my Mum how she felt and coped during the Cuban missile crisis, when her children were little.
I was surprised to learn she had hardly worried at all.
This was due to simple reason she knew only a little about it which was what the newspapers printed.
She basically lived in blissful ignorance and I sometimes wonder if having access to everything happening in the world in actually helpful to most ordinary people.
Generally, there's not a lot we can do about most things.
We can protest, pray , take in refugees as we did from Ukraine, but mainly we worry and are fearful...and that doesn't help anyone, least of all ourselves.
I'm now approaching 70 and I know about the horrible world out there but I try to avoid " doom scrolling " and stick to reading the news only once a day.
My mind is calmer for it.

I was raised in the 50s in an area of London that was still badly bomb damaged, an outside toilet, no bathroom, no running hot water or central heating sharing a small Victorian house with one other family, I went to a local primary then on to a grammar school, leaving at 15 as my mother insisted she needed my income. Despite a fairly crappy upbringing I had good jobs in banking and telecommunications. My husband and I went without to raise enough money for a house deposit, I raised five great children all of whom have successful careers, of course I’ve worried about the state of the world especially now I have grandchildren, then I think of what my ancestors lived through and consider myself fortunate to live in a fundamentally good country with mainly principled humans, so I look to the future with positivity.

I'm deeply concerned about the future for our children and our planet and all it's amazing creatures due to a failure to seriously tackle climate collapse. I see lies, greed and decipt quite openly displayed in so much of public life and the far right and other misogynistic groups threatening our way of life and in particular our autonomy as women. However much it horrifies me, I don't let it worry me on a daily basis and get on with life in the hope things will work out eventually. No point in letting it all make you anxious or ruin your life with worry.

I know this will sound horribly selfish, but yes I am worried. Having no children and grandchildren I don't care about what happens to the world, as I'll be dead before things start to go seriously wrong. The worse thing to happen to this planet is the human race.