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Are you worried for the future of GB and indeed the world?

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Dinahmo Sat 21-Dec-24 13:32:54

Born in 1947, benefitted from the NHS and grammar schools.

Throughout my school years everyone seemed to come from similar backgrounds - middle class I suppose. I and my siblings had an enjoyable time - we were able to roam freely and without fear. There was little mention of strange danger; just don't take lifts or sweets from strangers. If we went out for an adventure we were told to be back by a certain time and we were.

I moved to London in 1966 when it was easy to find a flat to rent, grim as they were. It was also easy to move from job to job. Womens' Lib came into being and life was pretty good for me and my friends and acquaintances.

I didn't want to go to Uni, despite the protestations of my Dad who worked at UCL. I just wanted to earn my own money and have a good time. Both of which I did.

I met my future DH when I was 21 and together we went to many music events. I had started when I was at school, seeing Bob Dylan at the Albert Hall and the Tamla Motown Road Show amongst many. In fact it's easier for me to say whom I did not see rather than list those that I did.

There were dozens of venues, often attached to a pub where entry was often free but the price of drinks was higher.

We did not buy a house until we were 32 and that was only because my GM had died and I borrowed 1/2 the deposit from my Dad. The other 1/2 came from my tax savings (I was self employed at that time). Yet young people (sometimes in their early 20s) today bemoan the fact that they cannot buy a house.

By choice we are child free. Had we had children neither of us could have worked as we did. My DH was self employed from the age of 21 and I had a mixture of employment an SE. I was not particularly ambitious and only changed job when I go bored. That was until we moved to Suffolk and my job moved to Milton Keynes.

I am content with my life. We have a nice house with lots of art works which have been acquired during many years of jumble sales and car boots. We are not rich and don't have good pensions which is why I continue to work. Luckily I enjoy and have had some of my clients for more than 40 years.

Every now and then I wonder what the grown up children of our friends think about the current situation in the world, especially because most of them have children of their own.

There are wars everywhere it seems - Ukraine, Middle East and threats from Russia and China and atrocities on all continents.

The mass of people are discontented and who can blame them? Their discontent has brought about the rise of the extreme right the world over. There are atrocities everywhere. The MRC Militia, with the aid of thousands of soldiers from Rwanda are raping women and executing young children. Mass graves have been found in Syria. The list goes on.

We mustn't forget global warming and the destruction of the rain forests.

So my question is, what do you think will happen in the future and does it worry you for your children and, more importantly perhaps, for your grandchildren?

M0nica Sat 21-Dec-24 15:33:20

I cannot remember a time when I did not worry about the world and all that was happening in it, nor was that different in my parents lives, they were born just before or during WW1, growing up into WW2. there was mass discontent in the 1930s,, which led to the rise of Nazism, the Black Shirts in this country, the Holocaust.

I am a war baby, I remember my mother describing the fear of being bombed. We lived in South London, under the path of the V1s and V2s. My grandmother's house was destroyed in the Blitz. I remember the fear and worry around the Blockade of Berlin, the fear of the Cold War and being obliterated in a nuclear war, the Bay of Pigs incident, when the whole world held its breath for several days.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, the fear of nuclear weaapons in the hands of terrorists and rogue nations.

Now we have more mass discontent, Global warming.

Global warming aside there is nothing happening now that did not occur regularly throughout the 20th century, throughout our lives and our parents.

This generation will just have to learn to live with it and, do all they can to remedy it. The solution to Global warming now lies firmly in their hands. The technology and its development, but also how they choose to live their lives.

The French have a phrase for it “Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose”. It means “the more things change, the more they stay the same”.

This is the case here

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sat 21-Dec-24 15:37:38

Not really.

MissAdventure Sat 21-Dec-24 15:38:04

No, not really.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sat 21-Dec-24 15:39:34

X posts MissA it seems we are kindred spirits!

MissAdventure Sat 21-Dec-24 15:41:07

We are indeed, and we'll probably both get told off... tchsmile

Calendargirl Sat 21-Dec-24 15:41:40

I am now in my early 70’s, in the autumn of life.

Have no desire to be starting out like my 5 GC, ages ranging from 17-22.

No idea when they will afford their own homes, but I will not be here to worry about it.

I hope to be able to leave them a bit to help them on their way.

Also hope I live to see a GGC or two, but it will be a very different world.

They will all get through though, I suppose, just like past generations.

Oreo Sat 21-Dec-24 15:47:05

I think Monica is right really, there’s always been wars and worry, but years ago without all the modern tech, people were either not aware of much going on in the world or dismissed it as not affecting them.There were also murders and rapes and stranger danger was just as relevant then as now.Abuse within families went on then just as now.
I suppose what’s really changed is the better standard of living and what we expect.Too much mass immigration has affected housing and the NHS so lack of housing both to rent and for sale and lack of medical appointments is down to the population explosion.It adds to the pressure on councils and all they normally do, so broken pavements, potholes and social care are affected.

karmalady Sat 21-Dec-24 16:00:50

No. My DGC are teenagers and are all aspirational towards professional careers ie medicine, sandhurst, engineering. They are wonderful members of society, kind and caring and there are umpteen thousands like them. Obviously different aspirations but kind, caring, hard working. These young people are the future and they will make their own paths, as most of us did

Norah Sat 21-Dec-24 16:06:38

No, it will be what it will be.

Babs03 Sat 21-Dec-24 16:12:04

I think the younger generation are marvellous and just hope future governments don’t let them down. The majority I know don’t drink like we did back in the day, are in fact far more health conscious and aware of how what they do impacts upon the planet. They are also more aware of gender rights and how diversity benefits society.
Of course the cost of living is ridiculous and buying a home is so hard. But I always told my grown children to always save and buy according to their pocket. A one bedroom flat to start with, and you don’t need everything new, buy in charity shops or on preloved sites, save until you can afford new. These days too many want an ideal home with everything brand spanking new to start with. Thankfully they took that advice and gave now got a better house with really nice furniture - but still second hand, they prefer it.
I think we underestimate our younger generation. They aren’t snowflakes they are pioneers in a darker more dangerous world than we knew.

HeavenLeigh Sat 21-Dec-24 16:14:11

Nope not at all! Worrying will not change a thing!

Allira Sat 21-Dec-24 16:36:07

There have always been horrors going on in the world, as M0nica says but, as Oreo points out without all the modern tech, people were either not aware of much going on in the world or dismissed it as not affecting them.

As a working class child, but not poverty-stricken, life seemed quite carefree. I wasn't really aware of the struggles and hard work my parents may have had to keep us well fed, warm and clothed.
I can remember getting upset and angry abut things in the 1950s and 60s, there were terrifying happenings such as the Cuban Missile Crisis, the ongoing Gold War, the Vietnam War which led to such diverse opinions, famines, extreme weather events.
Then we had IRA bombings for 20 years, worrying for those of us who lived or worked in cities or Government buildings.

Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

Allira Sat 21-Dec-24 16:36:52

Autocorrect prefers Gold to Cold
Cold War

Kate1949 Sat 21-Dec-24 16:38:27

I worry about a lot of things, but not that.

Allira Sat 21-Dec-24 16:39:38

Are you worried for the future of GB and indeed the world?

I think the thing which worries me most is the oceans of plastic.

CariadAgain Sat 21-Dec-24 16:43:58

What do I think will happen in the future?

Our country will continue to get more and more overcrowded - as more "illegals" pile into it. Our freedom of speech has become somewhat restricted and I feel it will get even worse. People never got sacked from jobs/refused them in the first place for not having A Jab that many of us have decided not to have until recently. I still feel very shocked that my personal decision that I made in that direction would have seen me unfairly dismissed from some jobs if I were still young enough to need a job - thank goodness I'm safely retired and so doesnt apply.

Technology etc helped our lives improve to start with - and we got the Pill/phones in our homes as standard/central heating in our homes as standard etc - but now it's making life more difficult imo (smartphones/smart appliances/5G/etc).

I see it as our country started turning for the worse in the 1990s and our country starting to split up more, technology that makes our lives harder coming along, etc. So I wish I could agree with a more optimistic take - and then remind myself "Well at least I won't be living in Britain come around the middle of this century - as I was born in the early 1950s - and so should be safely dead and out of harms way by then". Partly because I don't know how much longer this trend for things getting worse will go on and partly because I'm feeling it's necessary to start stating "This is Britain. It's a liberal modern Christian country. That is how things ARE going to stay - even if some individuals don't like that fact and are trying to change us".

CountessFosco Sat 21-Dec-24 16:47:10

What worries us more is the rise in Sharia Law [illegal apparently but gaining ground]. How would our lovely GDs of 15 and 13 fare under this draconian system?

Skydancer Sat 21-Dec-24 16:55:52

I actually worry constantly about the future of this country and of the world. As someone upthread said, things were pretty much okay till the 1990s. Then everything seemed to go downhill. I worry about nuclear war, global warming and AI. All of those things could put an end to the world. As for this country, there are far too many people here now - many of whom we know nothing about and who have totally different values to those I have grown up with. I despair and don't agree with those who say 'twas ever thus. No it wasn't. We didn't have the internet. Technology means wars will be fought electronically. Bombs will be detonated from far away. The world is getting more and more dangerous, run by power-hungry men and there is no common sense.

Smileless2012 Sat 21-Dec-24 17:01:39

No, I'm not worried either; what's the point? I agree Norah it will be what it will be.

Visgir1 Sat 21-Dec-24 17:04:58

Can't see the point in worrying, what will be will be

CariadAgain Sat 21-Dec-24 17:21:30

CountessFosco

What worries us more is the rise in Sharia Law [illegal apparently but gaining ground]. How would our lovely GDs of 15 and 13 fare under this draconian system?

I look at that and think "Would they really seriously try and impose Sharia "courts" on us in our own country? Surely it would be they would use those for themselves - but accept that it is OUR country and we have normal courts and that's what we will use. But I do have a sneaking suspicion they're trying to push their ways on us in our own country. If people integrate and abide by our ways that's one thing - but I've got a little gut thing saying to me "By around 2045/2050 this may not function like OUR country any more - even though it still will be iyswim".

I hope I'm wrong and what my father has been saying to me for around 30 years of how he sees our country's future is wrong.

CountessFosco Sat 21-Dec-24 17:29:23

CariadAgain

CountessFosco

What worries us more is the rise in Sharia Law [illegal apparently but gaining ground]. How would our lovely GDs of 15 and 13 fare under this draconian system?

I look at that and think "Would they really seriously try and impose Sharia "courts" on us in our own country? Surely it would be they would use those for themselves - but accept that it is OUR country and we have normal courts and that's what we will use. But I do have a sneaking suspicion they're trying to push their ways on us in our own country. If people integrate and abide by our ways that's one thing - but I've got a little gut thing saying to me "By around 2045/2050 this may not function like OUR country any more - even though it still will be iyswim".

I hope I'm wrong and what my father has been saying to me for around 30 years of how he sees our country's future is wrong.

thanks

Skydancer Sat 21-Dec-24 17:56:24

CariadAgain. What is now OUR country may no longer be the one we recognise.

M0nica Sat 21-Dec-24 18:55:53

SkyDancer I actually worry constantly about the future of this country and of the world. As someone upthread said, things were pretty much okay till the 1990s.

I cannot that anyone, let alone 2, could say that. What about the Cold War, the threats of nuclear armageddon, 2 world wars in 30 years. The IRA and the 'troubles' in Ireland, Islamic terrorism goes back to the late 1960s/70s. Remember the massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics. The hijacking of airplanes and their passengers.

Some people here clearly have very selective memories.