Labour has come under fire after refusing to hold a public inquiry into historic sexual abuse by grooming gangs in Oldham.

Elon Musk should keep his nose out of our affairs. He would be better to use his vast wealth in philanthropic ways instead of inciting hate and racism whenever he opens his extremely large mouth.

love0c

I hope Trump and Elon keep up the pressure. This dreadful government will do nothing. Afraid of losing votes.

What did the previous government do after the publication of and recommendations by (2022) the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, commissioned in 2015 by the then Home Secretary?

Why didn't Musk put pressure on them then to carry out the 20 recommendations from the Inquiry?

I'm not in fact a fan of Starmer, but this really is just political mud-slinging.

Why aren't we talking about the recommendations from that 7-year long Inquiry and, instead, demanding another one?

Surely, we need action not more talking?

MissAdventure

It's not unheard of.
Teachers, priests, even vicars have been caught out, thankfully.

Fred and Rose West were foster parents for a while.

I'm not sure they were ever foster parents.
They did have several children and step-children between them.

Rose worked as a dinner lady at a nearby FE College.

I actually see it as an advantage when other countries look at our society. In the same way the British have a different perspective on gun use to the Americans, it often helps to have 'outsiders' talking about issues. Of course America completely ignores our views on gun use, but I would suggest that is short sighted.

Houseplant Queen thank you for your well said words!

There are some people on GN who do not have the first idea of how inquiries work , the time they take, the money they cost, the effects they have on the people involved
Musk, Farage, Trump are very dangerous spiteful men and those on GN who support/like their views need to have a long hard think and cast their minds back Moseley and Black shirts! My grandad protested then and I protest now !

Perhaps there wouldn’t be an outcry for a public inquiry if even SOME of the 20 recommendations put forward 2years ago had been implemented!

Why haven’t they been?
Any inquiry won’t have been cheap.

A waste of taxpayers money then?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Perhaps there wouldn’t be an outcry for a public inquiry if even SOME of the 20 recommendations put forward 2years ago had been implemented!

Why haven’t they been?
Any inquiry won’t have been cheap.

A waste of taxpayers money then?

So why are you determined to blame the current government for this?

Susieq62

There are some people on GN who do not have the first idea of how inquiries work , the time they take, the money they cost, the effects they have on the people involved
Musk, Farage, Trump are very dangerous spiteful men and those on GN who support/like their views need to have a long hard think and cast their minds back Moseley and Black shirts! My grandad protested then and I protest now !

Brava

Jeanathome

Susieq62

There are some people on GN who do not have the first idea of how inquiries work , the time they take, the money they cost, the effects they have on the people involved
Musk, Farage, Trump are very dangerous spiteful men and those on GN who support/like their views need to have a long hard think and cast their minds back Moseley and Black shirts! My grandad protested then and I protest now !

Brava

It frightens me that people can’t see how dangerous these people are ( and I would go further and include people like Braverman…).

Some people understand that complex problems are rarely solved by creating cartoon goodies and baddies.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Perhaps there wouldn’t be an outcry for a public inquiry if even SOME of the 20 recommendations put forward 2years ago had been implemented!

Why haven’t they been?
Any inquiry won’t have been cheap.

A waste of taxpayers money then?

I'm not 100% sure but I think there is now a 'special task force' which helps local police investigations (which perhaps was one of the recommendations) - I assume it is an 'elite' force which can navigate in a way that a local investigation might not be able to do... but I'm really not sure.

There was a also a 'move' to make those who were working in organisations / institutions legally responsible for reporting child sexual abuse or face prosecution. But I really don't know how that panned out.

Maybe Wyllow knows?

It seems very little though when considering the magnitude of the abuse, the complexity of the issues surrounding it.

For me, one of the most distressing aspects that this Inquiry revealed was that children / young people - girls / young women were simply not believed when they reported the abuse and even, in some instances, actually blamed for it, presumably when they were believed.

How can anyone lay the blame on a child under the age of consent (or even over it) when an adult - maybe in his 30s, 40s or 50s coerces them into sex? We know that young people's brains are not fully developed until they are actually in their 20s and yet they are somehow expected to be able to understand and navigate the adult world and to be aware of the ulterior motives, the deception, the sleazy aspects of human nature...

It's sickening.

The Conservatories had 14 years to launch an inquiry and now they no longer hold power they are complaining that it is long overdue. Talk about the Pot calling the kettle black.

Musk needs to keep his nose firmly out of business that he has nothing to do with. Just because the man has money, he seems to believe that gives him a voice.

Yes Dickens with all party support the previous government set up this task force within the police as a result of previous enquiries. Set up 2023, this report early 2024

www.gov.uk/government/news/grooming-gangs-taskforce-arrests-hundreds-in-first-year

*Grooming Gangs Taskforce arrests hundreds in first year
A dedicated police taskforce set up to bring down grooming gangs has supported police forces in England and Wales to make hundreds of arrests in its first year*

Its early days as the task force is 400.

So whats needed to follow recommendations of the inquiries is further work within police and other agencies that work together.

There is every need to put pressure on for more support, but there are no need for further inquiries to establish what needs to be done, and the people who worked so hard and stood up for victims have made clear this is the way forward.

It appears the calls for an enquiry now are politically motivated as regards the past not directed to helping children now or in the future. Blame laying.

Been out so catching up. Annibach my post supporting dedicated social workers (and police) in no way suggested these people are beyond getting things wrong.
A witchunt against decent people and decent Muslims won’t add anything positive (i stress I’m not accusing annie of that)

Yes there are Muslim social workers. My experience - the women were well aware of sexual abuse and oppression within their own community.

I’m beyond irritated that the conservatives had 14nyears in which to set up a national inquiry but only now see it as necessary. It isn’t.

Musk is a strange individual. Best ignored

I’m not blaming Labour per sec MayBee but the ball just happens to be in their court now for 4+ years so whether they run with it or not is their call now.

Since your opener was " Scandalous" and mention of a Labour MP and praise for Musk, I do wonder who you are blaming?

love0c

Houseplant queen. I did not vote for this government without a moral compass. But I bet you did!

Yes I did, and although disappointed in some of their decisions I am smart enough to understand that 14 years of under investment cannot be reversed over night, and also that the labour govt have an uphill struggle with some of the press and their ill informed and inflammatory headlines. I do have a moral compass which was why I had such a problem with Johnson, and now do with the Reform party.

They are not 'grooming gangs', they are rape gangs. There are those who say that the word 'grooming' was chosen so as not to harm inclusivity, and that makes sense to me. I have no time for Elon Musk but I don't see anyone has a right to object to his remarks as our Labour politicians were trying to influence the American election. Besides, these gangs are an atrocity, and so, arguably, a concern of anyone, anywhere, who is genuinely concerned with human rights.Of course Kemi Badenoch is going to have her say now, and in so doing she is no different from any other politician in opposition. The gangs should be rooted out and the entire thing exposed, from root to branch, and, where applicable, extraditions should take place, and long prison sentences imposed. Dream on! Wokery rules the day and the rights of women and children can go a-begging.

MayBee70 it frightens me even more that people are still subscribing to left/right politics. They are two wings of the same totalitarian bird. Badenoch dangerous? Hardly more than Starmer, with his love of the WEF. It frightens me that our free speech is being taken away in the name of political correctness. It frightens me that so few people can see how we are being lied to, and do not try to join up the dots.

Why does Elon Musk feel that we need his input? Similarly Tony Blair - constant pronouncements about current affairs. These people must have a really inflated sense of their own importance.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I’m not blaming Labour per sec MayBee but the ball just happens to be in their court now for 4+ years so whether they run with it or not is their call now.

But you are making a point of pin pointing Jess Philips who, imo has done a great deal of work over the years to protect women and is a pretty decent hard working constituency MP. Unlike your beloved Farage.

undines

They are not 'grooming gangs', they are rape gangs. There are those who say that the word 'grooming' was chosen so as not to harm inclusivity, and that makes sense to me. I have no time for Elon Musk but I don't see anyone has a right to object to his remarks as our Labour politicians were trying to influence the American election. Besides, these gangs are an atrocity, and so, arguably, a concern of anyone, anywhere, who is genuinely concerned with human rights.Of course Kemi Badenoch is going to have her say now, and in so doing she is no different from any other politician in opposition. The gangs should be rooted out and the entire thing exposed, from root to branch, and, where applicable, extraditions should take place, and long prison sentences imposed. Dream on! Wokery rules the day and the rights of women and children can go a-begging.

Don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Current gangs are being "rooted out" whether they have white or ethnic backgrounds under the guidelines as above in the Police Units set up for this specific purpose. Do read the details as they are very victim centred and also address your concerns about ethnicity.

www.gov.uk/government/news/grooming-gangs-taskforce-arrests-hundreds-in-first-year

There is nothing "new" to discuss.

I think her first sentence is really important, I am beginning to think we need to look closely at the term grooming gangs, language is always a battle field in the rights of women and children.

grooming gangs like smuggling gangs perhaps has a similar appeal. A gang of baddies all huddled together who mean us harm.
I suspect it's much more complex.