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Labour has come under fire after refusing to hold a public inquiry into historic sexual abuse by grooming gangs in Oldham.

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FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 02-Jan-25 13:35:45

Scandalous I think.
I’m with Elon Musk on this re his comments to Jess Phillips.

Elon Musk attacked the decision as “disgraceful” and Kemi Badenoch, the Conservative leader, said a full national inquiry into rape gangs was “long overdue”.

Jess Phillips, Labour’s safeguarding minister, insisted it was “for Oldham council alone”.

Really Jess?

Maremia Sat 04-Jan-25 15:17:40

Well, Prince Andrew managed to pay his way out of it. Epstein 'committed suicide' before more beans could be spilled. Maxwell still has more stories to tell. Do you think Trump might pardon her before then?

Rosie51 Sat 04-Jan-25 15:21:04

No answer or comment on my questions then Maremia ?

Maremia Sat 04-Jan-25 15:22:24

Did you mean Peter Mandleson? I thought he batted for the other side?

Maremia Sat 04-Jan-25 15:24:03

Rush to answer your questions? Hadn't noticed any of my questions being answered?

Rosie51 Sat 04-Jan-25 15:25:41

Maremia

Did you mean Peter Mandleson? I thought he batted for the other side?

Goodness me, what an outdated prejudiced phrase! Peter Mandleson is homosexual or gay if you prefer. "Batted for the other side" is an insulting phrase no longer used by intelligent people.

Maremia Sat 04-Jan-25 15:29:51

Oh my what a patronising riposte!

GrannyGravy13 Sat 04-Jan-25 18:49:59

If you want to know how abused girls feel look up Sammy Woodhouse.

Iam64 Sat 04-Jan-25 19:14:34

GrannyGravy - I’m concerned your earlier post implies that girl children aged 9 are routinely seen as old enough for marriage and penetrative sex within British Muslim communities. That isn’t my experience nor have I seen research supporting your claims

The disgusting organised abuse by men of largely Pakistani Muslim men was aimed at very vulnerable white girls, the abusers rightly thought they’d get away with it because our legal system would see them as unreliable witnesses. Thank God for Nazir Afzal (a man of Muslim heritage) and police officers, social workers, health workers etc who jumped up and down, made a fuss, demanded their managers Do Something

GrannyGravy13 Sat 04-Jan-25 20:08:23

Iam64 I wasn’t implying anything.

I just posted what is readily available to anyone who Googles Islam and its views on females, marriage and consent.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 04-Jan-25 20:09:24

I agree Nafir Afzal is a hero in my eyes.

petra Sat 04-Jan-25 20:19:57

And mine. And the wonderful Maggi Oliver 👏👏👏👏👏👏

alig99 Sat 04-Jan-25 23:48:25

Mr Musk has far to much interest in the affairs of the UK, He seems a thoroughly unpleasant person and targeting our elective representatives in such a manner is a great concern especially when people such as FGT start believing and supporting his views.
We need to remember that our politics seem to heavily by non UK friendly people....hail the imposter king Nigel.

Rosie51 Sun 05-Jan-25 00:05:52

Maremia

Oh my what a patronising riposte!

So much better than an insulting, homophobic, belittling post, but you do you. My homosexual nephew and his husband both abhor such trite demeaning phrases.

Maremia Sun 05-Jan-25 08:23:32

My apologies Rosie 51, for any offence given to your relatives by my comment. This thread had already dropped from the Top Posts this morning, so I sought it out, for this purpose.

WelwynWitch3 Sun 05-Jan-25 19:23:13

Whatever the wrongs or rights this problem should have been investigated years ago. Young white females being abused by Asian gangs has been going on for years and ignored because it may upset people regardless of damage and trauma to young girls. My husband worked for company that employed Asian workers who described girls as white meat, think that says it all.

Primrose53 Sun 05-Jan-25 22:29:45

Iam64

GrannyGravy - I’m concerned your earlier post implies that girl children aged 9 are routinely seen as old enough for marriage and penetrative sex within British Muslim communities. That isn’t my experience nor have I seen research supporting your claims

The disgusting organised abuse by men of largely Pakistani Muslim men was aimed at very vulnerable white girls, the abusers rightly thought they’d get away with it because our legal system would see them as unreliable witnesses. Thank God for Nazir Afzal (a man of Muslim heritage) and police officers, social workers, health workers etc who jumped up and down, made a fuss, demanded their managers Do Something

Maggie Oliver is the one who has done more for this cause than anybody else.

Iam64 Mon 06-Jan-25 11:54:31

I’m a Maggie Oliver supporter but it’s untrue to say she’s done more than anyone else.

Jeanathome Mon 06-Jan-25 11:56:33

True? Untrue? Anything goes.

KS has made a very good statement.

Waste of time mentioning it here though.

Iam64 Mon 06-Jan-25 11:59:24

Jeanathome

True? Untrue? Anything goes.

KS has made a very good statement.

Waste of time mentioning it here though.

Sadly I feel the same. Starmer was good today especially on child sexual exploitation and abuse. I decided it just isn’t worth posting because nothing the PM does or says is as important as criticising him and Jess Phillips

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 06-Jan-25 12:20:35

Starmer was boring. Okay, it shouldn’t matter - he’s no orator as we all know - but it kinda does matter. Those senior nurses flanking him looked fed up. A captive audience indeed.

And as Christopher Hope from GBNews pointed out recently the grooming gangs (raping gangs let’s not beat about the bush with twee words) yes, Professor Jay published the report of her inquiry in 2023 and none of her 20 recommendations have as yet been implemented.

Pretty damning on the Tory party’s watch.

However what Mr Hope pointed out was even more shocking. Councils, social workers and even the police were pretty much marking their own homework and the inquiry (400 printed pages of it) covered only 6 councils out of more than 50. And an MP for Rochdale said “of all those pages, Rochdale got only one tiny mention. It was an inadequate report covering totally different types of crime - within the Church for example - and a full national inquiry into the specifics of these Pakistani gangs ought to be called for urgently”.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 06-Jan-25 12:25:41

Iam64

Jeanathome

True? Untrue? Anything goes.

KS has made a very good statement.

Waste of time mentioning it here though.

Sadly I feel the same. Starmer was good today especially on child sexual exploitation and abuse. I decided it just isn’t worth posting because nothing the PM does or says is as important as criticising him and Jess Phillips

Yes I agree. Starmer hits exactly the correct tone. Of course those weaned on populist politics will find his narrative and tone difficult to deal with, but that is inevitable.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 06-Jan-25 12:27:52

Information can no longer be hoarded by elites. Reality can no longer be denied. Social media, FoI etc has blown this wide open. Many in high positions should be hanging their heads in shame. What price culpability? How do they sleep at night? Where are the morals, the transparency, the determination to treat EVERYONE, no matter colour, ethnicity or religion EXACTLY the same in the eyes of the LAW? No ifs, no buts, no prejudices, no special relationships. Justice for ALL.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Mon 06-Jan-25 12:32:03

As I say, fairness for ALL across the board is very much needed.

There are numerous muslim rape gangs.

But equally there are numerous other rape gangs who prey on young kids we know this too.

Politicians have been convicted along with other public office holders.

However - If you look at the cover ups over Jimmy Saville and Cyril Smith to name just two then it becomes so obvious that the rape and sodomy of vulnerable children is widespread in our society and the offenders are being protected by some in government, police,CPS etc.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 06-Jan-25 12:34:09

I rest my case😊

Jeanathome Mon 06-Jan-25 12:48:04

I do wonder if some people are disproprtionately interested in this topic.

I read what KS had to say. It seemed intelligent.