Labour has come under fire after refusing to hold a public inquiry into historic sexual abuse by grooming gangs in Oldham.

The trouble is that some of the young girls involved are loyal to who they think of as their ‘boyfriends’ and are reluctant to
Complain. I worked in child protection for many years and remember a particular 13 year old who was in care but who left the childrens home to meet a man/ men. The staff could not stop them going out. Despite all efforts she refused point blank to report what had happened. She believed he loved her.
It’s only much later when they may realise they were children and vulnerable to being groomed by people who used and abused them, but years may have passed and evidence harder to prove.
Like most things it’s not as straightforward as one might think.

GrannyGravy13

Naz Shah MP for Bradford (Labour) said an appalling thing about the girl victims of the grooming gangs which is available online.

Just post it.

JaneJudge

GrannyGravy13

Naz Shah MP for Bradford (Labour) said an appalling thing about the girl victims of the grooming gangs which is available online.

Just post it.

Sorry no, it is vile, but easily found.

GrannyGravy13

Naz Shah MP for Bradford (Labour) said an appalling thing about the girl victims of the grooming gangs which is available online.

I think I read she re tweeted something along the lines of "these women should stop going on about being abused in the interests of social cohesion" not verbatim but that was the gist, then it got picked up and she quickly cancelled it or whatever people do or did on Twitter when they realise they've massively put their foot in it! I remember thinking the comment was pretty shocking, there was no sense of the sisterhood about it or empathy towards a fellow woman who'd suffered abuse

"Should shut their mouths in the interests of diversity" Nice!

It’s disgusting…

In 2020, Ms Shah successfully sued the campaigning group Leave.EU after it called her a “grooming gang apologist” in a 2019 Facebook post. The group apologised and accepted Ms Shah was a "vociferous campaigner for victims of grooming gangs", said their post was “ill-judged and untrue” and paid her damages for libel.

I’ve read the long bbc article on line, which gives the correct information, I’m sorry my tech skills are poor, or I’d provide a link.
Naz Shah retweeted a post from Owen Jones in anparody account. It said ‘exactly Areeq, those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of // diversity’.
She immediately deleted it, claiming it was an accident. Is it possible irony was involved? I don’t know but I agree wuth this quote -“ but NS had a 20 year record of working on the issues of child abuse, violence against women and grooming which is well documented ‘. (Full fact social media)

GrannyGravy13

Naz Shah MP for Bradford (Labour) said an appalling thing about the girl victims of the grooming gangs which is available online.

Only she didn't.

fullfact.org/online/naz-shah-diversity-quote-tweet/

I have never 'liked' and 'retweeted' a post by accident, and am not sure how you manage two separate actions by mistake.

She told the Yorkshire Post at that time: “I refuse to be defined by a tweet, that was up for eight minutes, that was rectified.”

Maybe she liked and retweeted because she thought it was a genuine Owen Jones tweet without thinking it through?

I got interrupted before posting but see you've already covered the fullfact coverage of the story Iam64

I’m not dismissing concerns about possible cultural issues with the grooming gangs. My direct experience mirrors the desperate story told I. The tv programme Three Girls. I do fear though that Musk and Badenoch seek to inflame tensions rather than five “truth’ which has been established by previous inquiries.
I disagree with Jess Phillips - if there’s to be more inquiries, it shouldn’t be left to individual councils. We know a lot about mistakes. Greater Manchester has 10 councils, Bolton, Bury, Manchester, Oldham, Rochdale, Salford, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford and Wigan. They’re all covered by Gtr Manchester police force. The police were instrumental in not properly investigating or charging. Lancashire has 15 local authorities - many as with Gtr Manchester has areas of high deprivation and communities of Muslims of Pakistani origin.
The issues identified in individual inquiries will be so similar thst if further inquiries are needed, they should be national. My view is we don’t need this

So there seems to be some confusion regarding NS’s tweet

Good to see we both consulted a search engine Rosie51. Naz Shah might not be everyone’s cup of tea but posting this about her begins to feel like an attack on Muslims.

How can you accidentally retweet a tweet by accident?

No one should shut their mouths in favour of diversity. There is no excuse for those things said. They are out in the public domain. Nothing has been said above that has not been known for some considerable time.
Of course they should be called out like above.

I don't disagree with a word about how bad the incidents were nor that there were delays and cover-ups and dreadful let downs over a long period.

What I don't understand is why we need yet another enquiry for Oldham? I also wonder why we are not discussing grooming gangs as a whole since of course the majority are white men, if the intention is to have an enquiry that will benefit the future -

that is the levels of grooming and domestic violence against women addressed as a whole.

What matters is what's happening now, and to further measures like the NSPCC are asking for www.nspcc.org.uk/about-us/news-opinion/2024/online-grooming-crimes-increase/

Iam64

Good to see we both consulted a search engine Rosie51. Naz Shah might not be everyone’s cup of tea but posting this about her begins to feel like an attack on Muslims.

Not at all, I am curious why she thought it ok to retweet something which was foul.

For the record I do not give a flying pig about the nationality of any grooming gang.

I do want them all investigated and treated equally, no tippy toeing around, whether they are from Bradford or Jeffrey Epstein’s Island.

I don’t know GrannyGravy13. No disagreements but is it possible she made a mistake as she claims? Her record in no way suggests she is anything other than a champion of victims /women. I’ve not consulted a search engine but I remember interviews in which she’s been critical of men in her community of origin because of domestic and other abuse

Iam64

Good to see we both consulted a search engine Rosie51. Naz Shah might not be everyone’s cup of tea but posting this about her begins to feel like an attack on Muslims.

This is my concern too.

and where is Maggie Olivers New Years honour?

I’ve been thinking about what a public inquiry would be able to achieve that hasn’t been put in place already as a result of the previous national and local actions. This couldn’t be an inquiry akin to Windrush, the Bloods scandal, or the Postmasters, which focus on failures by specific public bodies, which all have a clear resolution potential. I understand Iam64’s point about men finding exploitation opportunities, and other than the actions already enacted or which are in the pipeline, it feels to me that disparate circumstances will continue to present such men with opportunities, so a public inquiry could end up without a way forward that hasn’t already been enacted, and that would close off opportunities for abuse. I’m open to persuasion though, and interested to hear what exactly Gransnetters feel would be the benefits.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

and where is Maggie Olivers New Years honour?

Conspicuous by its absence…

GrannyGravy13

For the record I do not give a flying pig about the nationality of any grooming gang.

I do want them all investigated and treated equally, no tippy toeing around, whether they are from Bradford or Jeffrey Epstein’s Island.

Agreed, if the inquiry is on fact a major report on violence against girls and women including grooming and other forms of abuse. But all the examples above were given from the Muslim groomers and not a word on others. We've just had a report on all white abuse in the Church of England.

The crucial question is, given the awareness on grooming gangs, and the government setting up specific task forces last year, is it going to help girls and women right now in the present?

Wyllow3 I find it sickening that people of any description cover up systemic abuse of minors.

It’s about power more than sex.

These men do it, just because they can.