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The ragged trousered philanthropist

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BevSec Thu 23-Jan-25 18:52:29

I am reading this very interesting book on the recommendation of another gr ansnetter.

There is a very interesting paragraph in the book

‘Lord Street -like most other similar neighbourhoods- supplied a striking answer to those futile theorists who prate of the equality of mankind, for the inhabitants instinctively formed themselves into groups, the more superior types drawing together, separating themselves from the inferior, and rising naturally to the top, while the others gathered themselves into distinct classes, grading downwards or else isolated themselves altogether, being refused admission to the circles they desired to enter, and in their turn refusing to associate with their inferiors.’

It is interesting how, no matter much an equal society is strived for by some idealistic folk, human nature will out!

Kate1949 Thu 23-Jan-25 19:06:38

I tried to read this once. I couldn't understand a word of it. I must be a bit thick.

BevSec Thu 23-Jan-25 19:12:40

Kate1949

I tried to read this once. I couldn't understand a word of it. I must be a bit thick.

Not at all, we all find some books more difficult to get into than others.

Chocolatelovinggran Thu 23-Jan-25 19:14:02

A seminal work, iny opinion.

valdali Thu 23-Jan-25 19:14:32

Re the quote -

If some of the "superior types" suffered a bankrupcy or a severe mental illness, as the chances are some will, my betting's they would be hurtling naturally to the bottom pdq.

boheminan Thu 23-Jan-25 19:14:52

I always believed it to be the Socialists bible

Kate1949 Thu 23-Jan-25 19:20:49

Yes me too. The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists were a puzzle to me!

BevSec Thu 23-Jan-25 19:34:03

boheminan

I always believed it to be the Socialists bible

It does come across that way, as we will never have an equal playing field but thankfully we have a safety net of benefits so that no one will hopefully be thrown out of work and left to starve, such as happened in the book.

BevSec Thu 23-Jan-25 19:34:30

valdali

Re the quote -

If some of the "superior types" suffered a bankrupcy or a severe mental illness, as the chances are some will, my betting's they would be hurtling naturally to the bottom pdq.

They certainly would!

welbeck Thu 23-Jan-25 19:38:11

Unfortunately people have died though act or default of the benefits system.
Like the man whose payments were cut off which meant he couldn't top up his electric card.
He was a diabetic needing insulin. His fridge had no electric. He had multiple health issues and lived alone. He died.

Redhead56 Fri 24-Jan-25 00:35:29

The book was written in times when there was no backup if you didn’t work you had nothing apart from charity.

RosiesMaw2 Fri 24-Jan-25 00:43:42

It’s misleading to suggest ONE “ragged-trousered philanthropist” when the title is in fact plural.
According to Amazon
In "The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists," Robert Tressell presents a poignant exploration of early 20th-century working-class life in England, skillfully weaving social critique and vivid characterization into a narrative that is both engaging and enlightening. Using a semi-autobiographical approach, Tressell immerses the reader in the struggles of the impoverished decorators who work tirelessly yet receive scant remuneration exposing the stark inequalities of capitalism

Kate1949 Fri 24-Jan-25 00:51:26

Yes as I mentioned, the book I tried to read was Philanthropists.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-Jan-25 01:06:06

I have three piles of books to read one is easy but good novels of mostly murder mystery genre, but I also like a wide range. At the moment it is an Elly Griffiths murder mystery.

The second pile is what I would class as classic novels and the “Ragged trouser” is in my second pile and is next to read once I have finished my current one, which is an Arnold Bennet “The Old Wives”

The third is non-fiction - mostly political or social history, but also a wide range, like biography etc. and my current one is by Professor Margaret MacMillan. “The War that ended Peace” about events beginning in the nineteenth century and ending on the eve of WW1.

So I generally have 3 books on the go - depending on my mood.

I shall never live to read them all!!

Interested to read remarks by those who have read it though.

BevSec Fri 24-Jan-25 06:50:29

Whitewavemark2

I have three piles of books to read one is easy but good novels of mostly murder mystery genre, but I also like a wide range. At the moment it is an Elly Griffiths murder mystery.

The second pile is what I would class as classic novels and the “Ragged trouser” is in my second pile and is next to read once I have finished my current one, which is an Arnold Bennet “The Old Wives”

The third is non-fiction - mostly political or social history, but also a wide range, like biography etc. and my current one is by Professor Margaret MacMillan. “The War that ended Peace” about events beginning in the nineteenth century and ending on the eve of WW1.

So I generally have 3 books on the go - depending on my mood.

I shall never live to read them all!!

Interested to read remarks by those who have read it though.

I am the same with books on the go. It really is an interesting read and as RosieMaws2 points out, really does highlight how grim life was then and how you could suddenly be destitute. Thank goodness for our welfare state. Reading this book really does help me to understand what life was like back then and the grim reality for the poor. Well worth a read.

Oreo Fri 24-Jan-25 07:20:31

Have heard of it, haven’t read it, but remembered reading a book by George Orwell, Down And Out In Paris And London which highlights the lives of the working poor.The real eye opener tho was just listening to both my Grandads and their working early lives and living conditions in London.

BevSec Fri 24-Jan-25 07:26:06

Oreo

Have heard of it, haven’t read it, but remembered reading a book by George Orwell, Down And Out In Paris And London which highlights the lives of the working poor.The real eye opener tho was just listening to both my Grandads and their working early lives and living conditions in London.

I will have a look for that book also Oreo.

TerriBull Fri 24-Jan-25 07:54:32

I've bought the book it having been mentioned several times on GN, it's on the to read pile.

I'm another to the 3 simultaneous books on the go. I always have a novel, at the moment that's, The Echo Chamber, John Boyne, on Audible I'm listening to The Precipice by Robert Harris, usually when I'm, ironing, cooking or wake early hours of the morning. My 3rd book is non fiction, at the moment I'm reading The Plantagenets, which I read at a much slower pace, I've only just finished the reign of King John, Magna Carta and all of that

TerriBull Fri 24-Jan-25 07:57:00

Precipice not The Precipice.

eddiecat78 Fri 24-Jan-25 07:59:16

My book club read it a few years ago. It was hard going but we all said we were glad we had read it. I found it particularly interesting as some of my ancestors were involved in the same work as the main characters. The book really brought to light the reality of how hard their lives must have been

TerriBull Fri 24-Jan-25 08:08:58

A book I read last year, which was a massive eye opener as to subsistence level work with no welfare support, The Grapes of Wrath, albeit in the US. I had a sketchy idea of The Depression but didn't know about the dust bowl farmers, year on year droughts and the bank foreclosures that forced swathes of the population west to exploitation and near starvation.

J52 Fri 24-Jan-25 08:16:12

I read it as a student and saw it performed at the Oxford Playhouse. All a long time ago!
For those who are interested, it might be available on Audiobooks. It is very thought provoking. I might read it again, when I get to the end of my very high pile of books to be read.

Indigo8 Fri 24-Jan-25 08:58:40

BevSec

Oreo

Have heard of it, haven’t read it, but remembered reading a book by George Orwell, Down And Out In Paris And London which highlights the lives of the working poor.The real eye opener tho was just listening to both my Grandads and their working early lives and living conditions in London.

I will have a look for that book also Oreo.

I find George Orwell's observations about class very astute and very readable. I would recommend 'Keep the Aspidistra Flying' and 'The Road to Wigan Pier' both by George Orwell.

BevSec Fri 24-Jan-25 09:31:11

Indigo8

BevSec

Oreo

Have heard of it, haven’t read it, but remembered reading a book by George Orwell, Down And Out In Paris And London which highlights the lives of the working poor.The real eye opener tho was just listening to both my Grandads and their working early lives and living conditions in London.

I will have a look for that book also Oreo.

I find George Orwell's observations about class very astute and very readable. I would recommend 'Keep the Aspidistra Flying' and 'The Road to Wigan Pier' both by George Orwell.

I have read the Road to
Wigan Pier, excellent read. I will have a look out for the other one. I have also read the Grapes of Wrath, again highlighting the hardships endured in the past, it too was an excellent read.

BevSec Fri 24-Jan-25 09:32:52

eddiecat78

My book club read it a few years ago. It was hard going but we all said we were glad we had read it. I found it particularly interesting as some of my ancestors were involved in the same work as the main characters. The book really brought to light the reality of how hard their lives must have been

It really does highlight social injustice and how the overseer has such power over the workmen and how he exploits them to line his own pockets.